Amph "On your left." - Captain America (Brave New World)

Yes, but still -- did you really think that they were causing damage outside of that three block zone? It didn't seem so much to me, with "ground zero" being Grand Central at 42nd/Park...

 

I'm curious how much better this film would have done if it switched release dates with ASM 2.

 

Cap would still win.

 

But would it have made more/less money?

 

I don't know, but a Zac Efron/Seth Rogan film wouldn't have knocked Cap2 out of the top spot in Cap2's second week out, like 'Neighbors' did to Spidey.

 

The Ultimate Version of this storyline had Bad Cap being the Captain America of the Vietnam War. The "we fought very different wars" motif was quite powerful.

The regular version one was the Cap from the 50s, basically McCarthyism given flesh.

You can't go wrong with any version.

 

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It's a good thing the Chitauri decided to only attack in that 3 block radius, then.

I feel like this is something that happens to me whenever I watch anything these days, but I really liked this movie when I saw it, and now a few weeks later I'm kind of indifferent. It was entertaining, but I no longer know if it was good. It feels like the same stuff in new trappings.

 

Partly plot-induced apathy and idiocy.

 

Partly them successfully containing the invasion maybe?

 

Let's also not forgot that New York is being invaded. Superman initiates a conflict and directs it straight into a populated area with absolutely no regard at all for the damage he's causing. Cap's--and the rest of the Avenger's--first and only concern is to contain an invasion force to as small an area as possible while actively defending and protecting innocent civilians.

How is it hard to see a difference there? Damage was done in The Avengers, but they were trying to stop it. Damage is done in MoS and he's mostly responsible for where it happens and how much.

 

He's on a secluded farm in the middle of nowhere. He drives Zod straight into town.


Also he led them straight to Earth. So. His fault.

 

I'm going to start a drinking game for both MoS destruction "debates" and "ASM is awful because Spider-Man is but a real hero" "debates"

Seriously.

 

Totally fair!

But my point, really, about Cap stands.

 

As Faora said, "For everyone you save, we will kill a million more." There was no way the battle was going to be contained to the Kent farm. Plus, Clark was moving Zod away from his mother whom he was about to hurt.

Which he didn't even know about. You blame Superman for Zod, then you need to blame both Thor and whoever brought the Tesseract to Earth and left it in Germany.

 

Perhaps this should be settled by determining the human body count. I thought in one of the Avenger movie follow-ups, someone said thousands had been killed in the New York battle? How many died in Smallville/New York (er, Metropolis?)

Maybe Avengers should have ended earlier, with them preventing the Tesseract from ... opening the wormhole thing so the army could travel through. But for a final battle sequence, Loki could have taken on each Avenger individually until Hulk finished him off.

An interesting discussion, though. I though MoS was more about him learning his power, so I'd give him a bit of a pass for destruction because he was still figuring things out. He had never fought a powerful enemy before, and not distracted by his emotions. Most of the Avengers had been in some sort of battle before. And filmmakers know audiences like the big smash-crash-destruction of cities. (Although, honestly, I thought they wouldn't show buildings being demolished in an attack as much because, well, we all saw it live on TV for reals once, and CGI doesn't really compare to that). Cap seems best about it - the first movie had a lot of battles but not a lot of destruction, iirc.

 

I blame Bryan Singer and Kevin Smith for the amount of destruction in Man of Steel; Bryan Singer for Superman Returns, where Superman does not throw a punch, and Kevin Smith for pointing it out. It seemed like Snyder was over compensating. I think Snyder was heavily influenced by The Matrix, from the Kryptonian growth pods, Superman kneeling down before he takes flight and Zod v. Superman was like Agent Smith v. Neo in Revolutions.

I felt the destruction in Man of Steel was repetitive to the point where it was very interesting.

Also, Zod sucks at hand-to-hand combat. Dude was beaten down by Jor El, and then a farm boy with no military training or fighting technique. Faora was such more of a better villain than Zod; better lines, fighting moves and onscreen persona.