Amph "On your left." - Captain America (Brave New World)

That is . . . one way to put it.

 

didnt Thor's post credit scene show Selvig under Loki's control, so as Avengers set up?


Also for the number of appearances, cap 3 will be Cap's fifth appearance in the MCU, not his fourth. And sixth for the actor of course.

 

One thing I think will play out differently is, I don't think Steve Rogers retires as Capt. America to let Bucky move on with the shield. I think, if its true Chris Evans is done with Capt. America after Infinity War Pt. 2, Steve Rogers can die, like he sacrifices himself to defeat Thanos in Pt. 2 and then Bucky picks up from there to Phase 4.

 

Passing Bucky the shield sets up Cap's demise in a psychological way though and can set up what you've mentioned here.

 

I think a little bit of the Index from AOS will carry over, but not fully. Just the idea of heroes being indexed in case of a repeat of what happened with the Hulk's rampage and the like. I don't think that synopsis is real. Some stuff might be pretty close to the mark, but not all. I do think the idea of government regulation will come up and leave everyone feeling uncertain as to where to go. But it would definitely fracture the team enough to set the stage for "Infinity War".

Yeah, it is funny. People wanted to know why the Avengers didn't help Tony fight Killian and his men, or why they didn't help with the helicarriers. They got mad. The Avengers show up in this film that's based on a story where they were part of it and now they're annoyed. Fandom for you.

 

I could see the government/registration side winning completely in Civil War and then the government run Avengers in Infinity War Part I fail SPECTACULARLY in trying stop Thanos. All the time wasted working with the government and being accountable backfires and the earth gets destroyed or something. Then Infinity War Part II would end with the idea of registration being either rejected or neutered so much that the government is just a paper tiger with no actual oversight of the Avengers anymore.

 

If you've read Iron Man: Haunted, you know exactly how Stark's trust in the government is treated!

If you haven't, seek it out, it's a little known gem.

 

For the record, I'm not annoyed. Rather surprised at that huge cast, tbh. But I figure that if they're adapting the Civil War story, they were going to need as many hands on deck as possible. And things will probably get crazier once the Infinity War plays out.

 

If the Guardians join forces with the Avengers in both parts of the Infinity Wars, the tagline for the movies could be: We Are Groot.

 

honestly after watching the video overview of the comic story-line it seems like maybe they don't have enough characters? or maybe just not the right ones. i mean do they have any super heroes with "secret identities"? i guess spider-man is being introduced to be the one example of that? i think the story would make more sense if they had the rights to the x-men and the concept of mutants in general.

i suppose they will have to change things a lot from the comic story-line in order to make the civil war more plausible in the movie universe. robot thor killing goliath seemed that was a key tipping point in the comic, and i can't imagine that's going to happen in the film.

 

Agreeing with Tom. One of the problems is that most of the MCU's superheroes are not vigilante crime-fighters.

 

And only a few of the MCU Avengers are actually "superhuman". When you think about it, half of the Avengers are actually normal humans benefiting from high tech gimmicks or exceptional skillsets.

 

And Feige is fully aware of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the emphasis is on they are under the government's control rather than identities,although that will play a part.

 

i'm sure you're probably right that they will shift the emphasis somehow. that's a bit tricky though. i can't see iron man going to war with captain america because he so wants to be under the government's control.

 

I think the movies have been slowly pushing Tony into kinda loony territory. I think I definitely saw in AoU a Tony that could become a straight-up antagonist. I'm mean, I'm sure Civil War will try to make it more balanced than that, but Tony was out of control in AoU.

 

yeah.....i thought that was resolved in Iron Man 3. I was really surprised when Ultron failed and he was eager to do it again with Vision.
but the AI thing didn't make much sense to me. It seemed like JARVIS was AI all along.

 

I missed it in the films, but it is implied somewhere that Bucky killed Tony's parents. That and the mass destruction and the fact that Stark is looking for an end to it all. They can stay close to the source material.

The big question is, are they going to actually kill Captain America.

 

i didn't think that had been implied yet, just that HYDRA was behind it. i thought it might come up in Civil War.

 

Yeah, I doubt they are going to get much from the comic other than the basic "heroes cause a disaster and the superhuman population is somehow split between freedom versus safety" outline.

 

Thank **** the X-Men aren't here to be all "oh no society hates and fears us because we're gorgeous and Jean once destroyed a planet!"

 

Guys -- especially tom -- this is explicitly covered in the press release.

It was never going to be exactly like the comics, which I mentioned much earlier on I think?

 

No. They won't do it in Civil War, but I think Tony Stark is going to die in Infinity War.

 

There's not really any reach for the riff between Tony and Steve, either. Captain America took down SHIELD in the name of personal freedom. Tony created the Iron Legion--something which is clearly not well liked globally, based on the reception in Sokovia--and ultimately Ultron, in the name of public safety. Tony also disregarded the counsel of not only the Avengers, but his best friend Banner, in the creation of Vision to stop Ultron. He feels like he has a responsibility to keep everyone safe, because he feels like he's the only one smart enough, and with enough resources to do that.