Amph Captain America: The Winter Soldier

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  1. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah, it was the only movie I've ever been compelled to walk back into for the very next showing after seeing it.

    It's ability to reward multiple viewings with new subtleties and facets of the story and performances was icing on the cake.
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  2. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    The Daft Punk score was the icing on the cake.
  3. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Oh, yes- a thousand times yes.
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  4. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    I'll throw in my support for Legacy too.

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    And that's just one of the coolest things I have ever seen.
  5. Moviefan2k4 Force Ghost

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    I hated "Tron Legacy" when I first saw it, because all my theater had was a 3D showing, and I couldn't see much at all. I was also going through many more emotional problems at the time. About a year later, I found it on Blu-Ray for $10, and gave it another shot. I was very impressed with it, and its one of my favorite sequels now.

    Trivia Fact: The writers of the film later created "Once Upon A Time", which deals with similar themes involving the meaning of humanity, plus multiple storylines past and present.
  6. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I know the original Tron is a cult classic and much revered, but I never rated it. I didn't mind Legacy although it had a lot of odd stuff in it.
  7. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Sooo what's Captain America 3 going to be about?
  8. Darth-Lando Chosen One

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  9. soitscometothis Force Ghost

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    I suspect its main theme will be about kicking WB/DC Comics' booty.
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  10. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    So does that mean millions upon millions of buildings will be destroyed?
  11. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    The speculation at present is that they're going to adopt the Grand Director storyline from the 70's. It was a story about one of Steve Rogers replacements as Captain America and his fall from grace. This was an extension of a retcon regarding Cap's post 1945 stories, prior to The Mighty Avengers #4, when he was found and thawed out.
  12. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    I don't know if Georeg St Pierre had a stunt man, but I know he didn't need one.

  13. dp4m Chosen One

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    So, I was thinking about this last night -- one of the critiques of modern hero movies (not just superhero, but things like Star Trek and other such things) is that more recently in the movies the heroes are "too late" -- instead of preventing damage altogether (a la the James Bonds of old) there is usually massive damage caused first but then the heroes stop the villains after.that.

    Clearly the Hulk is, for the most part, excepted because... Hulk. And Superman II is usually the definitive example as everything that happens is because he gave up the life (Dark Knight, take note!) and then promises he'd never let it happen again.

    Even with The Avengers and the Thor(s) explicitly stating attempts at containing damage, things like Star Trek Into Darkness, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises (gets somewhat a pass as the source material partially adapted explicitly had this scenario) were bad and Man of Steel was egregiously bad because it was intentional on the part of the hero.

    But Captain America still shows this. Captain America was always the ideological analogue to Superman in Marvel and it's refreshing in many ways that they are uncompromising on both his ideology of a "big blue Boy Scout" but also with having him prevent the damages before it happens (only SHIELD is destroyed which is exactly what he set out to do as it was corrupt and needed to go).

    Plus, you know, the scene with Bucky at the end being vintage Cap.
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  14. GenAntilles Force Ghost

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    Kind of... I don't think we've really seen the fallout of what Cap did yet. I mean theoretically what Cap and Widow did to bring down SHIELD has the potential to cause as much or even more damage than what happened in Man of Steel. If SHIELD was the wall protecting people from all the threats that the government, military, and normal intel branches weren't equipped for then honestly the world is in a lot of peril. Not to mention SHIELD was international, the investment all those nations put into SHIELD just went up in flame, and that was probably A LOT of money.
  15. heels1785 Jedi Draft Commissioner

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    Did the Avengers really toss around those creatures with any regard for where they landed? I don't recall them doing so.
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    I hope it'll be about Steve redeeming or finding Bucky. That was the singular worst part of the film; seeing Bucky brainwashed and half the person he used to be (metaphorically speaking obviously).
  17. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    They mentioned going down the Bad Cap/William Burnside/Grand Director/Ultimate Nuke route. That's, the bad guy (or at least one of them) being the less than stable guy the US drafted to replace Steve Rogers as Captain America when he was thought to be dead.
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  18. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    I'd have to imagine Cap 3 is going to involve Crossbones. As well as Bucky.

    Watched this in the theaters again today. I'm kind of in love with this film. And NOT just because Cleveland.
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  19. Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece

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    That would be amazing. And it would once again lend itself to a lot of political commentary; you know, the counterfeit versus the genuine, the co-opting of patriotism, the corruption of the American ideal. Wow. I'm not familiar with that stuff in the comics, but just the one sentence pitch you gave there really fires my imagination with tons of possibilities.
  20. dp4m Chosen One

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    They explicitly mentioned a) attempting to contain the aliens and all fighting to a three-block radius and b) getting all of the civilians out of that area, yes. They, in fact, dedicated written dialogue to this point. :p
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  21. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    There's a hilarious mash-up video to be made of Avengers & ASM attempts at limiting civilian casualties interspersed with flashes of MOS carnage.

    Ending with Reeves' "The people!" line.
  22. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    You need to post that video now.
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  23. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I want to make it but it would mean buying a copy of MOS. ;)

    Once Winter Soldier & ASM2 hits video I'll take a crack at it.
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  24. heels1785 Jedi Draft Commissioner

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    Again, I saw no regard for where those giant snake things landed. Crashing on top of buildings, through libraries, into heavily populated areas. Outside of Captain America's instructions to the cops, there was never a sense of "let's prevent collateral damage" while Iron Man and Hulk were blasting away toy soldiers.

    Let's take your favorite, Man of Steel. Superman tells the people in Smallville "get inside, it's not safe" too. Then everything is essentially leveled by Kryptonians and the military, with no regard for populated buildings. I'm going to suspect that, in that circumstance, you wouldn't think of arguing that Superman tried to save civilians, or had any regard for their safety (even though he actually does go out of his way to save a pilot, a la Cap with the girl in the library) Same difference.
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  25. dp4m Chosen One

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    CAPTAIN AMERICA: "I need men in these buildings. There are people inside that can run into the line of fire. You take them through the basement or through the subway. You keep them off the streets. I need a perimeter as far back as 39th."

    CAPTAIN AMERICA: "Save it. Loki's gonna keep this fight focused on us and that's what we need.Without him these things could run wild. We got Stark up top, he's gonna
    need us..."

    CAPTAIN AMERICA: "Alright, listen up. Until we can close that portal up there, we're gonna use containment. Barton, I want you on that roof, eyes on everything. Call out patterns and strays. Stark, you got the perimeter. Anything gets more than three blocks out, you turn it back or you turn it to ash."

    Yeah, I'm not seeing your issues. It's clear -- both from word and deed -- this was about containment. Yes, there was a lot of destruction in that 3 block zone (the portal opened over 42nd street, hence the 39th street mention as the perimeter zone) with using the civilian first responders to get the rest of the civilian population out via underground areas while Loki keeps the Chitauri personally trying to attack the Avengers.

    Superman, meanwhile, intentionally put the fight in the middle of Smallville. They were alone, at the farm, the only people in danger were him and his mother not the entire town. :p Of course I'm not giving Superman the benefit of the doubt there...
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