Amph "On your left." - Captain America (Brave New World)

1. The Chitarui is an invasion force set to conquer earth. They were not there to kill or obtain the Avengers. There would be no reason to follow the Avengers anywhere. The Avengers did the right thing, considering the World Council decided to drop a bomb on New York City.

2. They were SHIELD buildings and civilian or commercial buildings. "It's all part of the plan" as the Joker put it.

Yes, parts of Metropolis was destroyed before Superman arrived, but much more it was destroyed after he got there. I think there was about a good 15 to 20 minutes (or it just felt that way) of Superman and Zod throwing each other through buildings.

Having Superman realize his contribution to the damages would change everything. There would be no arguments as it would be self evident that Superman tried to minimize the damage of Metropolis.

 

This. Even if the Avengers wanted to take the fight somewhere else, the World Council had already decided the Avengers were going to fail and that the best course of action was the nuke NY. The same World Council that turned out to have some HYDRA infiltration in it.

 

I was exaggerating before, of course, but the point a lot of people are trying to make is that Superman is careless in his fighting. They just wanted to see more of him being a hero--actively attempting to minimize damage; deliberately putting himself in harm's way or losing the upper hand in an attempt to defend people. This happens not once. The best we get is the murder of Zod at the end.

Conversely, in Avengers Cap and the other Avengers put themselves directly between belligerent forces and the innocent populous on numerous occasions, nearly sacrificing themselves to save people.

As to the Helicarrier's collateral damage: one fell on an evacuated Triskelion, one broke up in the air, and the third landed in the river. This damage was minimized as much as could be, and the initial plan called for them to shut down the carriers before they had even taken off.

In WS cap takes three bullets--in addition to the one he'd already received--fired from Bucky while scaling the carrier to put the chip in, without a thought for his own safety. It's these and other kinds of actions that take place in the Marvel universe that just don't happen in MoS. Obviously people have blown it out of proportion, and maybe you don't agree with their arguments, but it's a valid concern when discussing a movie that says "you must be the ideal they strive for". He never once showcases any ideals in the entire movie: what, as a person watching this fight take place on the news, are you supposed to take from Superman? The general public is not aware of Zod's mental state, or even who Superman is. They don't even know he's defending them. For all they know, as much as the News is able to cover, he's working with Zod, based on the level of destruction that goes on.

If you enjoyed MoS, fine. Whatever. But these concerns are not invalid.

 

You think your thread is safe?

 

You guys remember when this thread didn't suck and wasn't about Superman?

 

"The Needs of the Many outweigh the Needs of the Few... Or the One"

 

Do I remember when it didn't suck?

I remember when it wasn't about Superman, anyway.

 

As far as Marvel vs DC discussions go I think this is quite fascinating.

Normally its just JoinTheSchwarz saying "**** DC" over and over.

 

He ain't wrong.

(I think he still likes Batman Begins and The Dark Knight so I'm onboard with him)

 

I don't know where I am now.

 

There is none. Making a point that Clark had good reason to get angry and beat the tar out of someone threatening his loved ones.

Except as the film showed, the Avengers were able to keep the Chitauri from leaving the immediate area. It wouldn't be difficult to manipulate them into following them back into the portal or out of the city.

If the Chitarui can be manipulated into staying in a three block area and not going into the larger part of the city, then they can be manipulated anywhere.

Clark didn't throw Zod into any building except the abandoned construction building. The rest of the time it was Zod tossing and punching Clark into buildings. And we don't know that all the buildings were full. As we saw, Perry ordered the evacuation of the Daily Planet. There were obviously others as well. We see that when Clark lands inside one building and Zod unleashes his heat vision for the first time. And we see it again when Clark goes through another building before Zod takes him up into orbit.

The public is aware of Zod's mental state when he says that the world will suffer if Kal-El doesn't surrender and then the destruction from the World Engine occur. Not to mention the people of Metropolis see Superman fighting against the man who said that. Not to mention afterwards when Lois reported the truth in the Planet.

 

So Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow go through the portal and...just die?

 

Unless you are using "manipulated" as a synonym for "relentlessly killed" then I have no idea what movie you saw. The aliens penetrated no further into Earth because they weren't alive to do so.

 

What The2ndQuest said above.

Here's a video clip where Superman charges Zod and causes them to crash into a building with civilians on the streets, also keep in mind that Lois, Perry and others are only a few feet away.

Here's a video clip where Superman drives Zod into the side of the building where debris and glass is following onto the streets, undoubtedly falling on the people below.

In the clip below, we see a building and parking structure following on the streets below as innocent bystanders watch in fear and horror. Mind you, Zach Snyder's Superman shows no concern for the people of Metropolis during this battle.



Yes, we don't see if the buildings are full. However, we do see throughout the battle of Metropolis that the streets are filled with people (about the 32 second mark of the video clip above). People that are being crushed by buildings and structures falling over, which Superman is completely oblivious to or not concerned with as he continues to punch Zod.

 

Batman saved the rest of them.

 

Boy I am sure a fan of that Captain America.

 

Please post on topic.

 

I gotta say with The Winter Soldier I started to really like Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill! Sif, Black Widow, and Maria should have a buddy cop movie together.

 

I'm still not feeling Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill. Maybe because I always thought Maria Hill of being Latino.