Speculation Carrie bid farewell to Leia in an open letter.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Lando's Little Maneuver, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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    Batman, Superman, Spiderman and James Bond etc are re-cast all of the time. Then again what do I know, perhaps they should get Sean Connery back in for 007.
  2. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    Two things:

    1- None of the franchises you mentioned are as beloved or ingrained in human culture as Star Wars

    2- Many of those things have been re-incarnated over the years. The original James Bond Casino Royale was a comedy, before Bond was made more serious then "darker" with Craig. Batman started dark then went campy and then dark again and that was just the comics. Then the movies followed suit. Superman has never changed. It's as boring now as ever. Spiderman's movie franchise was ruined by 2 & 3 and needed a reboot. And same for Trek. The thing is no one cares as much about those things as SW.
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  3. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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    I really just put that out there to see who would bite first [face_laugh]. I actually believe all big 3 will have some involvement., although perhaps to lend emotional impact of Han potentially dying, perhaps it is part of revenge for Leia's murder we are informed of during the opening crawl.
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  4. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    I think Leia will be assassinated but we'll see it. It won't just be mentioned in one line of the opening crawl.
  5. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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    Depends how much of a liability carrie may become with that mouth of her's in respect to keeping secrets, plot etc.
  6. leiamoody Force Ghost

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    I see the article as Carrie wishing Leia a "hail and farewell" into another age. The entire article lies in the juxtaposition between Leia never aging on screen and Carrie aging in real life. Carrie has comes to terms with her aging (at least in the context of the article). Now she's basically saying it's okay for Leia to go into the next phase of her fictional life. It's really a piece about the problem of aging for women, particularly the cult of eternal youth and how it plays out on screen. Leia can't age on screen because she's always the same age since film is locked to the moment when the cameras rolled (barring an older CGI Leia being thrown into the end of ROTJ for the lulz). She even clearly states toward the end that whatever Leia's fate is going to be, she wishes her to enjoy the ride as she gets older. That doesn't imply ANYTHING about her role getting recast or Carrie not showing up. Seriously.
  7. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    Thank you! That's the best analysis of the piece I've read thus far to include my own.
  8. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    I was partially responding to some other chat in this thread besides your post also.
  9. Blue_Jedi33 Force Ghost

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    I really really want to believe this perspective, I hope you are correct.
  10. vypernight Jedi Grand Master

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    I see the article as one of 3 things:
    1. A swerve or misunderstood meaning.
    2. Leia gets killed off, on or off-screen.
    3. The movies take place without Han or Leia, with a book (possibly Crucible) explaining what happened (Like the one before ep 3 did). Maybe they leave the galaxy on a long mission or just say, "**** it!" and let the younger generation take over.

    I'm hoping for #1.
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  11. fett 4 Chosen One

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    Agreed, Bond films up until the Craig ones were pretty much stand alone and you could watch them in any kind of order. Batman( and pretty much most comic book films) were pretty much the same up until Nolans trilogy. So with re-casting it wasn't such a major issue.

    Starwars is a bit different as it's a Space opera. You cannot watch say RTJ before ESB otherwise it makes no sense.

    Besides while those film/franchises were good money makers, Starwars is one of the most iconic and known film series in history. Its why even to this day Darth Vader still wins the best villan awards and is seen as a cultural icon. Recasting would be much harder issue in terms of selling it to the audience, put bluntly its stupid.
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  12. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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  13. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    Well, the actual comic book characters are ingrained in our culture, but not those movies, so that is clearly not the same as SW. Bond is ingrained in our culture, but in a much cheaper way, it has been tossed around and overdone so much, you can't compare that to SW either.

    I think the chief difference is that the OT was left in this hugely coveted space of everyone so wishing they could bring back the characters for so many years (by so many people), it would be a travesty to not bring back the original characters, when it is still a possibility. Again, not that you couldn't make something great without them, but come on, this is the original SW cast, make it happen!
  14. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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    Didn't any of you read the part, where I said I wrote that for a laugh?
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  15. HanSolo29 Manager Emeritus + Official Star Wars Artist

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    The chief difference is that Bond, Batman, Superman and Spiderman all started in printed form. It's a lot easier to recast and swap actors in and out when there was no real set 'face' to put with the character to begin with. As long as the person at least looks the part or acts in a certain way, you're golden.

    With Star Wars, the characters were started on film with a specific set of actors, giving them their identity. It's a lot harder to replace someone to play those roles when the original actors have given those characters life to begin with.

    That's how I see it, anyway.
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  16. fett 4 Chosen One

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    Thing is I don't think they need to bring back the OT characters at all, maybe have Luke for a cameo but that's it.

    I thought it was a bad idea for the PT bringing back Boba Fett simply cause fans wanted him back and I think its the same situation here.
  17. BonhillBhoy Jedi Youngling

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    People who first saw the super hero's may feel the same. There is a generation that feels any 007 movie without Sean Connery is a sham. I'll say it again, I only wrote it to see who would bite first. Lighten up amigo's.
  18. Poor Greedo Jedi Grand Master

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    but, but, but...

    I don't think casting the big 3 would feel forced...it is a sequel and part of the large story arc, if the story calls for it, then they should be there imho. at any rate, they will have to give us closure one way or the other.
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  19. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    The difference is Boba Fett was a minor character in the OT whereas Luke, Han, and Leia are the lead characters and it is presumably their children who will headline this new trilogy. I think their presence is much more important than a simple cameo like Boba Fett had in AOTC.
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  20. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    [/quote]Thing is I don't think they need to bring back the OT characters at all, maybe have Luke for a cameo but that's it.

    I thought it was a bad idea for the PT bringing back Boba Fett simply cause fans wanted him back and I think its the same situation here.[/quote]

    Commercial appeal is part of the reason they would want to bring them back, but not all; artistic considerations are important also. There is the possibility that they could recapture some old SW magic, as well as create something new that is special, by including the old characters (and thus the original actors), at least for the first ST film. It would feel great for a lot of SW fans (myself included) to see Solo and Chewie flying into battle in the Millenium Falcon one more time, to see Solo as an old pirate. Lucas Films/Disney COULD really fail and make a mess of it, but with the people they are hiring, I doubt it. I think they will make it work, and bring back the magic.
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  21. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I'm fine with a trilogy with new main characters. Out with the old, in with the new.
  22. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    Huh? My "nevermind" was in regards to a lengthy post I made about this whole thing but then deleted because I'm tired of all this speculation/anticipation/premature or preprogrammed disappointment drivel.
  23. chris hayes Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes in a way but the old have a part....It will be alot like EP4 as Obi -Wan passing the torch....Obi-Wan had his trilogy ( 1-3 ) so he had a much smaller role in ( 4-6 )
    The Big 3 had their trilogy ( 4-6 ) so I would suspect a pattern to occur & the Big 3 will have smaller roles in ( 7-9 ) much like Obi-Wan in ( 4-6 ) & the probability of one or more of the big 3 dieing seems quite high ......... they could get away with Just Luke in the ST & no Han/Leia but I hope that doesn;t happen so all in all there will be NO RE-CASTING .
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  24. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    AND Boba Fett wasn't "brought back" justs to please fans. He was integral to the plot of the burgeoning Empire -- Clone Army. I think the Fetts in the PT worked well.
  25. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    I second that!