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TFA TLJ Carrie Fisher (Leia Organa) in the ST

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by MattOrgana, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. Demsa Aztor

    Demsa Aztor Jedi Knight star 3

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    Just an aside, MH will be reciting a letter that Carrie "wrote to Princess Leia" for a charity in LA among other actors. This should be hilarious. So glad he's keeping her memory alive.
     
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  2. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    That's the new rule. It's perfectly fine that the other two middle chapters didn't tell the complete story, but TLJ is a failure because it didn't cover IX's story.
     
  3. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 5

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    This seems contradictory. How can she think he’s redeemable, so Luke tells her he’s redeemable? You say it yourself - Ben is not completely gone and Luke knows it, Rey apparently knows it, but his mother who he couldn’t bring himself to kill doesn’t know it. Leia shouldn’t be third behind Luke and stranger Rey of all people in believing in her son. It’s not a question of abuse (as I saw someone else state), it’s a question of a mother’s faith compared to an uncle’s and a stranger’s. Although in another way, mom being insignificant and having the least important bond in SW is kind of tradition.
     
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  4. DarthHass

    DarthHass Jedi Master star 2

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    I think Leia had just accepted failure and finally given up before Luke restored hope. Then luke told her it wasn't so. I didn't like seeing Leia's faith lost.

    Mothers in the past seem to get treated like that in star wars. Shmi, Padme, Lyra in rogue one
     
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  5. Pliolite

    Pliolite Jedi Knight star 3

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    While Carrie's death obviously creates plenty of problems for IX, I feel the bigget hurdles for JJ are the ones Rian laid out for him in how he handled Leia, Ben and, most of all, Snoke's demise.

    With Snoke out of the picture, who are you turning Kylo away from? Himself? This is why it was crucial for GL to introduce the Emperor as Vader's master, and for Vader to kill him to return to the light. With Kylo killing Snoke in the 2nd part and turning more toward the dark, where do you go from there?? This coupled with Leia being gone completely messes up the entire trilogy...

    This is why a page one rewrite was needed for IX. IMO this is going to feel more like a brand new story, with a few familiar characters taking part.
     
  6. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    Carrie, or no Carrie, it's clear that was always the point. Disney didn't buy LFL to wrap up GL's saga. They intended to crack this saga wide open and recreate it in their own image.
     
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  7. Mother_Talzin

    Mother_Talzin Jedi Master star 4

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    Leia and the Resistance were facing near certain demise, it makes sense that she may lose faith when the FO is laying waste to their base. I feel they scripted it that way so Luke could restore hope on all levels. I imagine Leia would have resolved to pull her son from the dark in the final chapter, I cant begin to think how they will resolve it without Carrie.
     
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  8. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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  9. MattOrgana

    MattOrgana Jedi Master star 4

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    A very happy birthday to the one and only Mr. Gary Fisher, who turns 6 years old today.

    [​IMG]
     
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  10. DarthHass

    DarthHass Jedi Master star 2

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    Carrie...Leia....

    Remember.....we love you....you won't be far away
    We'll just close our eyes......and bring back yesterday
    And we'll be there...together
    Love will turn back the hands of time....
     
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  11. Scruffy nerf

    Scruffy nerf Jedi Knight star 2

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    is that Grease 2?
     
  12. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Porg of New Films & Fan Films star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Yup.
     
  13. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    Fitting I guess considering that Carrie was up for Grease.
     
  14. MattOrgana

    MattOrgana Jedi Master star 4

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  15. MattOrgana

    MattOrgana Jedi Master star 4

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  16. MattOrgana

    MattOrgana Jedi Master star 4

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    The Last Jedi Tie-In Novel Teases Leia’s Fate Ahead Of Star Wars: Episode IX


    TLJ novelization spoilers:

    Han made a Leia figure out of wood the night before the Battle of Endor. It is burned or used during a brief memorial for Han during the evacuation.

    Conscious Leia reaches out to the fleet and tries to reach Luke. She also feels people on worlds they pass by in hyperspace. She feels Poe's pride from the earlier fight.

    Luke abandoned Leia when Kylo turned. Leia was not happy about it.

    Toddler Kylo often played with the dice or showed it around in adoration of his father. Kylo would break stuff around the house with the Force while growing up. Leia and Han would worry behind closed doors, which Kylo did not like.

    Kylo does not fire on Leia, because he feels she is not angry at him.

    Leia finds her way back to the ship via the Force signature of dying micro-organisms blown into space.
     
  17. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Knight star 2

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    What a great way for Leia to go. Jesus….shakes my head. RIP Carrie. You deserved way better than this.
     
  18. Mother_Talzin

    Mother_Talzin Jedi Master star 4

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    Perish the thought for whomever conceived that piece of writing.
     
  19. Scruffy nerf

    Scruffy nerf Jedi Knight star 2

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    No. Just no.
     
  20. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 5

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    If the crawl explains that Leia accomplished something significant for her legacy before she passes, I won’t complain about it. There should be some point to her survival during the spacewalk. Although, I thought like that before the era of pointless subversion, so wth knows.
     
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  21. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    That sounds like an incredibly stupid exit for Leia.

    Let's hope that's now what JJ picks up on.
     
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  22. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Master star 4

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    I dunno if you want a reason then there it is - makes sense that something that happened to her in TLJ leads to her death & thus not return in EP9...I mean what can JJ do apart from say she died some other way , we'll never see her again so does it really matter....
     
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  23. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Wow, I'm speechless with this statement.
     
  24. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    Because Carrie died, it doesn't matter how Leia is written out?
     
  25. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Jedi Master star 4

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    Perhaps Kylo believes that Hux killed Leia in Ep. 9 and is planning on killing Hux which of course would send Kylo even further to the dark side. But then Kylo some gets a message from Leia. Leia tells her son something he doesn't want to hear. Leia makes Ben admit that he really doesn't believe that Hux killed Leia. Rather Kylo wants to believe that Hux killed Leia because it would be easier for Kylo to blame somebody else for the loss of his mother. Leia tells Ben that killing Hux is really more about Ben retreating into a place of denial in the hopes of escaping the pain he's suffering from, and killing Hux has less to do with avenging his mothers death. The hardest thing for Ben to do is to stop fighting the pull of the light. It's been his real struggle and what he's been fighting for these last two saga movies.

    It might seem tricky to convey all of that without Carrie Fisher in the movie but I think some creative narrative tricks could make it work.