I was at "Mudstock" too and that's an appropriate description for the first celebration. That's why I'm not comparing that one to C4. However, C2 and C3 were vast improvements over C1, so I was hoping C4 would see further improvement. I'm disappointed because I have not seen that improvement other than the exclusive fans-only first day. I didn't mention this in my first post, but I just don't remember any examples of convention volunteers who let the power go to their heads like I've seen several times at C4. And we don't have anyhing near the crowds we had at the last two.