JCC Chapel Hill shooting deaths of three Muslim students

GenAntilles isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Had you let us know that you were responding to him, upfront, this whole discussion would have been a lot shorter.

 

From how I read it ES agreed that they should apologise...

 

Dude, stop quoting my posts and pulling me back into this thread.

 

I'll have you know the words of my family are our blades are sharp.

 

Okay.

 

I kept waiting for someone here to apologize for something, anything

 

Haha purposefully being thick now. I will give you more credit but explain anyways. I think we can agree on what atheism is no? It encompasses quiet a varied tapestry of differening ideolgies within it. Just like how being a theist is a relatively simple concept but encompasses a myriad of different beliefs, ideology etc. Specific definition, broad application.

 

This semantics discussion is so yesterday.

 

I'm sorry for being the meatball that bumped it.

 

Ah yes. I'm sorry this discussion is beneath you. I bet you had a fantastic counter argument. Cheers.

 

The thing is your making a "point" everyone already understood and was entirely irrelevant. We know there are different types of people all under the umbrella category of atheists. A specific subgroup was specified from the outset of the discussion, and every single person in this thread has been able to grasp that point but you. There's nothing else to say.

 

Let me just say this; Wocky and I strongly disagree on the best approach here. I feel it's critical for groups to, in the interest of harmony and moving beyond short-termist hatred, denounce radicals of the same apparent persuasion. Wocky feels that's not right, and that by inspiring others to be better than the act more good will come of it. Yet I wholeheartedly agree with him on the above. This is an exercise in sophistic idiocy, the likes of which I've not seen in some time.

 

A letter in my newspaper from four muslims tried to answer the question why it's hard for them to apologize for the actions of radical muslims. In essence, they are offended if people ask that of them. They say they understand and share the fear. But to ask them to apologize is an inversion of the burden of proof; it presupposes that regular muslims are not against violence but that they have to prove that they are.
"As if Jews are asked to apologize for some of Israel's actions. As if Catholics are asked to apologize for the child abuse in its church. Apparantly we have to prove our innocence; don't you understand how hurtful this is? We need support and understanding to combat this virus in our midst. Instead we get distrust. By putting muslims on trial beforehand you don't solve the problem of radicalization; you feed it."

Naturally, I disagree. Because what these people fail to understand is that they are not understood.

 

It's almost as if... the popular response is that we go to blaming an ideology, and if we can frame the narrative away from that...

nah

 

Interesting...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-they-will-give-up-until-easter-10058233.html

 

The majority uptake seems to be Muslim Americans. Interesting.

 

Well, the Chapel Hill murders did happen here, so...

 

Yes, but as we've said, the American experience with respect of Muslims and the non-Muslim community appears markedly different to the rest of the West. Whilst I understand Muslims are subject to unpardonable levels of discrimination in the US, such as hate crimes, the general tension is absent when contrasted with Europe. The gesture is meaningful, but would be more meaningful were it happening in Britain, France, Denmark, Holland, Germany etc.

EDIT: and not being a Twit, I can't verify if there's more examples on Twitter itself. Cursory Google search isn't saying much that can be useful.

 

Here
https://twitter.com/hashtag/muslims4lent

 

I see a lot of Muslims commenting from outside the US, such as those saying "these are probably Muslims who celebrate Christmas too" or "I don't see why it's necessary in order to show solidarity".

It's reaffirming my suspicion.

 

Keep reading.

Anyway... it's a nice gesture, I guess. No, it doesn't really solve anything, but it is a nice gesture.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, it definitely is good to see less idiocy between the Islamic and Christian worlds. But it doesn't really address the issues underpinning poor relations between the two cultural spheres and will not dissuade a young person struggling with identity politics from finding a sense of self among radicals.

I don't dismiss it entirely, but I wonder if it'll simply widen the divide it intends to heal?