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Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Fallen Jedi Master, Apr 23, 2017.

  1. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    I'd give the election theory more support if Marasiah was shown as having been elected. Instead she is treated as the heir and Empress-to-be and subsequently becomes Empress without an election in sight. At least that we are shown. I'll back this up with the following from the Fel Empire wookieepedia page:
    "In Star Wars Insider 87, John Ostrander describes the Fel Empire as "not as inherently evil [as the earlier Empire], but still not a republic, not a democracy. It's the rule of the few, or the one, over the many. It has a lot of strengths; it has a substantial amount of weaknesses. It values power more than anything else." "

    By my measure, The Fel Empire is skirting the line of 'totalitarian', even with the benevolent dictators we have seen in the Legacy series. It isn't a question of whether or not there are real life countries today that persist. The Empire equates to space nazis... Even with the toning down the Remnant received over the years in stories.

    I do agree the Empire just going away isn't as plausible as it remaining. That is why the A vs B in my own post. My situation A is the more plausible of the two, with B being my way of dotting-the-I's, crossing-the-T's, and ending the Star Wars Saga with something resembling a happy ending. Even if it was a contrived one.
     
  2. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Good points. I will argue, though, that the galaxy hasn't settled in as of Legacy V2. The GA isn't a democracy yet, either. Stazi wasn't elected by anyone, yet he is the leader. When things settle in we'll see how the democratization goes. The Empire-In-Exile and GA Remnant were both military resistances more than anything. The actual civilian governments were absorbed by Krayt. Democracy will need to be re-introduced.
     
  3. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yeah I agree, democracy would need to be re-instated across the board. The 'Galactic Federation Triumvirate' seems to be provisional to me. In my scenario A I imagined Gar Stazi would assist in restoring the existing GA structure. The power brokers of Sia, Gar, and K'Kruhk are there to transition the galaxy from its war state to proper governance. At least that'd be my hope.
     
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  4. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Quite frankly the Felpire seems the best road forward even assuming the GA managed to reconstitute itself. The IKs and the emperor stand above the fray of galactic politics and with someone of Marasiah's moral caliber in charge-I think the future of the Galaxy is bright.
     
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  5. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    All I can say is I disagree with you. Marasiah seems alright. It is the system she would perpetuate that is the problem. Stand above the fray of politics? The Fel Empire declared war on the Galactic Alliance (yes thanks to the Moffs but they are part of the Empire) and she is entirely embroiled in galactic politics in Legacy volume II.

    So no to monarchies, kids. [face_worried]
     
  6. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Ideally yes-but democratic governance simply doesn't work in an entity the size of the GFFA-it's just too massive, too populated with too many competing beliefs, interests and agendas for democratic governance to be sustainable. Monarchy for all its faults seeks to guide galactic society without being beholden to its quirks and myriad "on the ground" issues.
     
  7. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    So the galaxy is too big for self-determination? I'm not buying it. Democratic models of governments seemed to last longer and more consistently than most alternatives.

    But hey, some folks just want to bow to overlords. ;)
     
  8. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Some folks want to bow to the force. The Emperor/Empress is only there to follow the Light Side's direction. Now do I like that? No, not personally. But don't try to misrepresent the Fel Empire.
     
  9. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    I used John Ostrander's own words to describe the empire. The Emperor is NOT only there to follow the Light Side's direction, as far as I know. He or she is there to be a ruler of an Empire. If you can provide a source for the claim I'd be glad to read it. Any misrepresentation here may be the whitewashing of that Empire.
     
  10. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Roan Fel tried to commit a Dark Side act and was executed because of it. The Emperor/Empress is not allowed to stray from the Light Side. That is the rule.
     
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  11. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    There is a difference between an "Emperor is supposed avoid the dark side" and "The Emperor/Empress is only there to follow the Light Side's direction".

    The Emperor, by the nature of being the monarch of an Empire, is not only there to follow a certain view of the Force. They are there to rule.
     
  12. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    They are there to rule but how they rule is restricted to the Light Side. I believe this is why some people find the Fel Empire ideal. As I mentioned, I don't, but I support the Fel Empire because it's progress in the right direction.
     
  13. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Eh, agree to disagree then.
     
  14. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Legends reference sources such as the new essential chronology, darth plagueis novel, among others have made it very clear democracy in the GFFA is a dead end the galaxy is simply too big, issues of economic inequality and representation dominate galactic politics at their core. Hence inevitable discontent, anger, factionalism, and strife.

    What is needed is gardener kings who can prune weeds and let flowers grow-had Caedus triumphed this is what he would have been at his best.

    The galaxy needs rulers who understand Vergere's fundamental lesson of the necessity of sacrifice and action-those who would rule benevolently, competently, fairly, who are above petty politics, intrigues and who willing sacrifice their own wants and feelings for the greater good. Those would tend to the garden that is the GFFA and its hundred quadrillion sentient beings.

    A benevolent monarchy or aristocracy ruling the galaxy and guiding it in perpetuity bringing the unknown regions, satellite galaxies, and tentatively galaxies beyond... into a beautiful garden tended over by benevolent force sensitive emperors forever. That's the best future the GFFA can hope for.
     
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  15. srd5090

    srd5090 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Sounds like a cult.

    By the way, authoritarian regimes have issues with managing large boundaries. See the Roman Empire. See the Mongol Empire. I'm not sure how space makes the situation any different. At least in democracies regions and peoples have some say in their governing.

    Again, the very narrative of the Legacy comics shows your ideal wouldn't happen.
     
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  16. Adrian the Cool

    Adrian the Cool Jedi Knight star 3

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    I go with the official Legends canon until the end of the NJO anthology. I think that after 29 ABY, millenia of peace and prosperity finally came to the galaxy. :)
     
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  17. Khaiden

    Khaiden Jedi Padawan star 1

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    For Canon: Between ROTJ and TFA the events that originally happened between those movies in the Legends continuity pretty much happened too but with dates slightly pushed back or forward and characters missing or replaced with brand new characters. The major events that lead to Luke's exile and the massacre at the temple happen around 27-29 ABY, right after a major war has happened, which also scarred Ben mentally (much like how Jacen was after the YV war) and helped lead into those events. A new Jedi Order was indeed created by Luke and it was succesful for at least a decade before it all went awry. A form of the Thrawn trilogy happened, the emperor came back in some way and most of the familiar faces were there: Katarn, Horn, Durron, Karrde, Pellaeon, Lumiya and even Mara Jade. What happened with Mara Jade is... complicated. It is part of the reason why Luke is so bitter and content in TLJ.

    For Legends: Luke had the full-bearded look we see in this new continuity by the late 20's ABY instead of what most depictions showed him. Something similar goes for Leia and Han. After the events of Legacy happen and the Galactic Triumvirate is formed, the Unknown Regions are discovered, revelations are made and the GFFA has reached definitive peace. There are no more wars in the stars. Intergalactic travel is discovered eventually.
     
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  18. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Regarding Ahsoka in Legends since I've not discussed her fate previously. I like to think she didn't join the rebellion or return to being a Jedi. She instead chose to live peacefully.

    Or she could have accepted her Jedi role again and decided to live in exile anyway-perhaps feeling guilty regarding what happened to her master.

    Given her relative youth by 19 BBY I think she was likely either dead or in permanent retirement by the end of the legends Yuuzhan Vong War.

    She wasn't powerful enough I think to be of any real concern to Vader or the emperor though a duel between her and the former might have been a fitting end for her story.

    Regarding Legends Ventress if I haven't mentioned her before I will now-though I thought I did. She survived the jump into hyperspace and eventually died in obscurity. With Palpatine and Vader largely forgetting about her or considering her irrelevant.

    Any surviving force users(separatist acolytes not Jedi) or other characters whose fates we don't have explicit confirmation of in the prequel era were most likely dead by 50 ABY.
     
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  19. Voltron64

    Voltron64 Jedi Master star 1

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    One of which would go on to the become the grandfather or great-grandfather of Ania Solo. ;)
     
  20. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Knight star 2

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    Anakin Jr of course hehe
     
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  21. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Knight star 2

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    But then I've always been a Anakin Solo fan girl hehe