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Discussion Characters from The Clone Wars that could appear in the sequel trilogy

Discussion in 'Archive: Disney Era Films' started by Jordan1Kenobi, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm going with "none of the above". That includes Cad Bane... I just don't see him or any of these other TCW-original characters appearing in the ST.
     
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  2. Darth_Quintonis

    Darth_Quintonis Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I responded to your post in the Ahsoka thread, please read it. As far as Rex and Ventress, this is what I've come up with:

    Captain Rex:

    He eventually found Ahsoka hiding on the palnet Shili. He told her he was happy to see her and would help her bring down the Empire, yet he was already becoming concerned with the fact that clones experience rapid aging. Ahsoka comes up with a plan, "Who other than the Kaminoans would know if there was a way to slow Rex's aging down?" They travel to Kamino together, where more is learned about how Plagueis, Sifo Dyas and Darth Tyranus were instrumental in creating the clone army. The Kaminoans tell Rex that they think can genetically slow his aging back down, but the results of their anti-aging remedies in humans are untested and unproven. Although the offer the same anti-aging therapy to Ahsoka (who travelled to Kamino with Rex) she declines, mentioning that her species tend to live a long life as it is. Rex takes them up on the offer, and for all intents and purposes it goes well. This may play a role in a later story about Rex. The Kaminoans assure Rex that even if it doesn't extend his life-span past that of an average human male, the therapy should at least negate his cells' programming to rapidly age.

    Ventress:

    Many have speculated that perhaps Ventress and Ahsoka team up, I've thought about that, and think that although we saw if briefly at the end of season five of TCW, it is out of character for them to have a long-lasting friendship. I couldn't see them staying teammates for an extended period of time without conflict ensuing. I think Ventress is at the very least a "Dark Jedi", yet more than likely she would fall back into being a Sith easily enough. I picture he for a time living her life as an outlaw bounty hunter, until someone else finds her. Who that someone else could be is really open in my mind, but I think a good candidate is for someone like Plagueis to still exist. Perhaps Mother Talzin is not finished with her? Finally, it is possible that Darth Maul finds her himself, if he indeed survived as well. They could very much both be pawns in Talzin's power plays in the future.

    I don't know if you'll like any of my ideas, but here they are. :)

    (and the signature was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, because I really do love Ahsoka as a character enough, that I'm not embarrassed to call myself a gusher, because I kind of am a gusher. lol ;))
     
  3. StoneRiver

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    I'm not saying I'm for it, but they could introduce her character in the film without making any reference to TCW in the same way they could introduce any other new character, the general audience won't be aware one way or the other



    Is it a really small galaxy or is it me?



    If the majority of the people in the audience do not know/care about said characters, then introducing them into film will not require any explanation of who they are, why they are there, nor where the heck they were during the events of the OT. If I was one of the majority that did not know/care and I was introduced to this character for the first time I wouldn't need to know anything they'd done previously unless it was relevant to the story being told. That being said, yeah, 100%, new characters is the way forward. (Maybe with small fanservice nods?)
     
  4. Rawne

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    Well I personally wouldn't have any Boba Fett spin-off set any time near ESB or even ANH. I'd have it be during the Dark Times when Boba's making a name for himself. Why is he the most respected bounty hunter in the known Galaxy? Because he was the only guy crazy/determined enough to take out the legendary Cad Bane.
     
  5. Jcuk

    Jcuk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So a film between ROTS and ANH then
     
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  6. I Are The Internets

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    No CW characters please.
     
  7. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    So, you aren't interested in any Vampire Diaries or Supernatural or Arrow crossovers I take it...
     
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  8. I Are The Internets

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    That would be awesome actually.
     
  9. Trebor Sabreon

    Trebor Sabreon Former Manager star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I definitely like this, but if we're only going to have one shot for a Boba Fett stand-alone film (and if that film doesn't go ahead and cover different eras of Fett's life), my hope is for a post-ROTJ flick which elevates Boba's escape from the Sarlaac to G-Canon, and sees Fett take advantage of the void left in the wake of the death of Jabba and the debilitating defeat handed the Empire at Endor, by moving past bounty hunting and into establishing a new underground empire of his own.

    That said, I'd be all for seeing Boba's 'Dark Times' years in some shape or form (Live Action Show?), and I certainly wouldn't balk at almost any Boba-starring role film, no matter which time period the producers decide to explore.
     
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  10. Rawne

    Rawne Jedi Knight star 2

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    That does sound awesome. I'd like it a lot more than him going on to be the super uber Mandalore too. I've always felt it was a bit of a mistake by the EU writers to have Boba embrace the culture, he should have always been the guy who wore the armour and made himself more feared than a legend of the Clone Wars and further back in history.

    But to be honest the second a crime/underground focussed Star Wars film is announced LucasFilm/Disney have my money. I've been waiting for one since I saw all those guys chilling in Jabba's Palace.
     
  11. Trebor Sabreon

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    Well, to be honest, I think you've got some interesting thoughts here that are built on the foundation of the characterization and relationships we've seen come before, so that's a good thing.

    I guess I just think these type of storylines, generally speaking (and Plagueis' involvement, notwithstanding), are something I'd rather see happen earlier in their respective lives. The 'Dark Times' era, I think, is the best time for any remaining TCW characters to show up. I just can't get past the 70-year-old plus age thing that would accompany any ST appearances, I guess.
     
  12. Ahsoka_Tano_11

    Ahsoka_Tano_11 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I would like to see Ahsoka come back as a friend and partner-in-crime of Ventress
     
  13. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

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    That.... might acutally have potential. Though Ahsoka not helping the Rebellion and getting on the very top of Vader's hit list would require a lot of explaining since Ahsoka is just too nobel at her core. Maybe she could pull an Obi-wan and just not have the heart to confront Anakin and end it, thus making her truly giving up being a Jedi. Needless to say, I tred lightly saying this could work and has potential.

    Personally I always felt either Vader should kill her or if she is destined to live, after season 5, I felt her role was more to save that group of younglings. However knowing from her visions that confronting Vader and the Emporer is not in her or their destinies chooses instead to go into carbon freezing, trusting in the force to be discovered and released post RotJ once Luke becomes a Jedi Master. This way she can give Luke insight to the workings of the Jedi of the Old Republic and a new batch of beings for Luke to train, and for Leia Ahsoka could give her a way to accept her father beyond the just the evil man she knew who at his last moments went back to the light side for her and her brother.

    Though my prefered choice was always Vader massicuring her to further his fall to the darkside, and just maybe instilling regret over his actions which later is part of why he rushed to Luke's aid vs following his master like a loyal hound.
     
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  14. Organic Jedi

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    I think some of us have fallen into a paradigm paralysis trap, regarding age as barometer for a returning character. Simple and common explanations, such as: being cloned, encased in carbonite (prevents aging?), future tech or mystical resurrection will bring the character back. Old age is hardly an insurmountable plot hurdle its made out to be.

    I have a hunch we'll see or hear of Ahsoka in EP7. If she survives the TCW epilogue. She appeals to the young demographic that made Disney what it is.
     
  15. Ahsoka_Tano_11

    Ahsoka_Tano_11 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree with you on that she could teach Luke about the Old Republic and be good friends with Leia.
     
  16. Trebor Sabreon

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    Well, speaking personally, I've taken those type of things into consideration. The problem is, I think they'd all be kind of hackneyed excuses, made only to try to force a character into a spot where they don't organically fit. The truth is, if, let's say Ahsoka, for example, were to show up in the ST, I'd much rather she be 80 years old, and the story just deals with that, rather than having her magically appear as a fresh-faced youngun'. Maybe it's just me.

    And as far as Tano's appeal to the 'young demographic.' First of all, I think it was good storytelling and classic characters, more than anything, which made Disney what it is today (kind of like SW, in that sense). Secondly, I strongly feel that choosing which characters to include for any reason other than they are who is right for the story, is a recipe for disaster and just the worst kind of transparent, big-business, commericialism over art type of move imaginable, and I'd like to think Lucasfilm and Disney are smarter than that. Oh, that and, I'm not so sure the kiddies will be all that interesed in an elderly Tano, in the first place. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Lucasfilm and Disney, but I'd like to think they're on the ball.
     
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  17. Darth_Quintonis

    Darth_Quintonis Jedi Padawan star 1

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    In the same way the kiddies weren't interested in an elderly Yoda in ESB? I think there are plenty of ways that Ahsoka could be brought in to Episode VIII or IX, for instance, as a new "Yoda-archtype" character. The people young an old who know nothing about her will have a new character that hearkens back to the Old Jedi Order, the people young an old that recognize her from watching TCW will be glad to see her again. If something happens to Luke in Episode VII or VIII, Ahsoka would be the best candidate to help guide the young protagonists in a dark sequel when they might feel all hope is lost. If nothing bad happens to Luke in the sequel trilogy, I agree there wouldn't be much room for Ahsoka, or any other "Yoda-archtype" character.
     
  18. Ryus

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    Dont forget, Ahsoka even with aging would be only 40 at RotJ... she could easily appear in a TV set imeditaly post RotJ and like Luke grow into a Yoda/Obi-wan type figure for the ST. While I did bring up that plot device of carbon freezing her it was to bring the younglings with her, not her ncessarily, for all I care she could monitor and protect them while they are froze and she isnt, just waiting for the day a Jedi Master can reappear to complete their training.

    Sure its a cheap trick to save characters this way, but having her age while gaurding them would add a cost to that trick plus her being the known character sacrificing her life for them makes that cost even greater still. All it really does is give her some back story for why she wasnt their and gives Luke potential future Jedi to pass on what he's learned too beyond Leia and any potential kids she may soon obiviously may have.

    Now I dislike this idea since it inversely makes Ahsoka older and therefore the one who should be the Jedi master, baring some emotional issue causing her to fall from the lightside... and the obvious question of why Vader never hunted her down regardless of her Jedi status, she still is a threat after all. Now both issues can be addressed but personally if she is to appear in post RotJ I feel it should be as soon as after Vader has fallen since she'd likely sense this from anywhere in the galaxy (assuming she is alive and able to get there). As stated also I'd simply prefer if she was still younger (spiecies ages slower, carbon freezing, etc...) just cause its clear its Luke destiny to rebuild the order, not hers and her still being a exiled Padawan who left the order when offered knighthood implies to me she'd make a very good first apprentice Luke could pull back to the Jedi way and the lightside of the force. That defualts Luke ahead of her, and then they can teach each other how to train Leia the best way with no masters to guide them... then the younglings I suggested she could have saved or other 'new' force potential characters (be them totally new or EU crossover characters)

    Now Im not campaining for this... just saying if she's to be used this is one of the better ways imho.
     
  19. Trebor Sabreon

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    My 'kiddie' comment was in response to Organic's statement, "She [Tano] appeals to the young demographic that made Disney what it is." And no, I just don't foresee many young children flocking to an elderly, wise character in the same manner as some did to the fourteen-to-sixteen year old, sassy and hip Ahsoka, as she appeared in TCW. Organic implied that Tano's appeal to the 'young demographic' would carry over to the ST, and while I'm not saying there would be no benefit to having her appear (as always, a well-written character will have a strong appeal). What I am saying that whatever appeal an aged Ahsoka would bring to the table would be a different thing, altogether. So I suppose, in essence, your Yoda comparison shows that you'd agree? :)
     
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  20. DarthBreezy

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    double post
     
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    edit Oh come on!!!
     
  22. Trebor Sabreon

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    If the new animated series that is in production is set in the era following the events of ROTJ, and I hope it is, I imagine this could work. If (and this may be a very big 'if,' we just don't know yet) Ahsoka's story is not told in another medium where she ends up dying long before these times, of course. Having a roughly 40 year old Tano appear as a side, or supporting, character in a series focused on the 'Big 3's' efforts in bebuilding of the Republic, the NJO, and introducing the new heroes of the ST, would be good by me. Would I prefer it? No, because I just feel her story was of a different era (and we already had five years of enjoying her arc), but it wouldn't drive me crazy.
     
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  23. MrFantastic74

    MrFantastic74 Jedi Knight star 4

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    (reposted my post from another thread here)

    I don't think TCW was popular enough for Disney to bank on making films specifically about the resolutions of character arcs from the series. I would wager that the average movie-goer who buys a ticket to see upcoming SW films has probably seen most (if not all) of the previous SW movies, but has not read any EU materials and has not seen much (if anything) of TCW. TCW was popular amongst much of the fanbase, but your average Joe Publics don't know who Ventress is, and they don't know Ahsoka Tano from a canker sore.

    Don't get me wrong, I can see Disney using characters from TCW in the movies, but they have to do it in such a way that viewers gain enough information on them and their motivations from the movie itself, without having to research TCW episodes beforehand. With this in mind, they would have to trim much of the fat of TCW away, and even erase some of it from canon in order to make a compelling film.

    For instance, if Darth Maul were to return in the movies, his resurrection story arc from TWC should basically be rebooted, rather than expanded on or resolved. Although I watched the Maul arc in TCW and would be satisfied with a movie that resolved that storyline, I think Joe Public would appreciate a movie that begins with the resurrection of Maul from his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan in TPM and concludes with his final showdown with Kenobi at the climax of the film. In other words, erase all the drawn out fat of TCW (including Savage), and reboot Maul's resurrection for the film. Or just leave Maul dead.

    As for Ahsoka, Joe Public would be really confused if she were thrown into a film without some expository preamble about who the heck she is, especially if they just mention that she was once Anakin's apprentice in throw-away dialogue. Joe Public would be like, "What? Anakin had an apprentice? And she's still alive? They never mentioned her in the other movies, not even in Episode III, and now we are to believe she exists? What is this crap?". Honestly, I don't know how they can use Ahsoka in a movie without making her seem shoe-horned into the saga -which, of course, she was-.

    Several other TCW characters suffer from the same difficulties. It would just be too difficult to use them in a film without rebooting or reworking their TCW storylines. I guess what I'm saying is, if Disney is smart -and I know they are-, they will either avoid TCW characters that did not appear in the films, or they will reboot those characters if they are to be used in a significvant capacity. Some would require a hard reboot, and other just a soft reboot.

    However, some characters could work very well as background or cameo players - Cad Bane, for instance, would work well in a cameo role.
     
  24. Trebor Sabreon

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    I think this illustrates a big sticking point. Following the completion of the PT, Anakin was, of course, presented as the central character of the saga, and serving as an apprentice, of all things, to Anakin (of all characters) makes Ahsoka's background something important to know. The core fanbase already knows this story, but you're absolutely right that for a majority of the movie-going public, Star Wars is six films, and six films, only.

    The fact that Ahsoka was created after-the-fact is definitely problematic in this regard. Though by no means impossible, if Tano were to suddenly show up in the ST as anything other than a goodwill gesture to her fans, by, say, appearing as a Jedi sitting in the background of a Council scene, it becomes vital to explain who she is, what happened to her under Anakin's tutelage, why she wasn't in ROTS, where she was during the birth of the Rebellion, where she was during the Galactic Civil War, under which circumstances did she reappear, what she's been up to in the decades since Vader's death and how she fits in to the new story. That's an awful lot of information and time spent on the biorgraphy of a supporting character. Yes, folks would be free to look these things up, of course, but the story of a film (or, in this case, a film saga) should be self-contained enough that the audience doesn't need to search out other sources to answer their basic questions, and, as a character important to the story of Anakin Skywalker, people will want to know (and you can't just answer these questions in a simple line or two of expository dialogue). There would be time to address these questions in an Ahsoka stand-alone picture, or in a series set post-ROTJ, but in the ST, with everything else that will have to be told? I just don't see it as feasible without jumping through an awful lot of hoops.

    Again, a non-speaking, background role? It could be done. The general audience wouldn't need any more information, while the hardcore fans could see that Tano is still alive, and then turn to the novelization (or other source) which would no doubt take the time to explore her reappearance in greater detail. There just aren't enough minutes in a two-hour film to spend the amount of time needed just to set up any meaty role for Ahsoka in the ST.
     
  25. DarthBlanco

    DarthBlanco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    From all the EU nonsense, TCW is the closest there is to cannon. Barris Ofee is the one we will see.