Arena Cheerleaders in sport

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthTunick, Jun 15, 2014.

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Cheerleaders in sport

Yea 8 vote(s) 38.1%
Nay 13 vote(s) 61.9%
  1. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Well, sure, in the same way that Elliot Rodger's misogyny can be dismissed as linked to his mental health state and not as part of a systemic issue with the way our society treats women.

    You are upset at the notion people may object to a bunch of women being displayed for your amusement and to get the bloody pumping. You no doubt resent the notion it's lowest common denominator bull**** to have to have cheerleaders in order to get the yokels at The Game to cheer, no?
  2. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I'm talking about cheering a sporting event, you bring up a sad, shameful thing that happened to women in history and draw a direct line in between the two wherein one action does not correlate to the other at all. Cheering for cheerleaders does not equal rape of comfort women. You are bringing in something that is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Nope! I absolutely agree it is lowest common denominator pandering. It gets people cheering. I am a yokel who cheers at sporting events for the aforementioned sporting event and the aforementioned cheerleaders. Sometimes cheering actually helps win the game. Players talk about the effect of how the crowd is into the game ups their own game constantly.
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  3. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Your example was specifically while the game was in play, or you worded it horribly.

    My football team, Liverpool, has won more trophies than your hand egg team will win in the next two hundred years, with not a single cheerleader in sight. Because the crowd cheers on the team, not a distraction. It's only American sports that need cheerleaders, why is this? Why can't you, with or without cheerleaders, create some thing like this to spur on your team?

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    As far as I can tell, cheerleaders main purpose is simply to give women something to do at sporting events. They'd entire rest of the world does not find this necessary.
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  4. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Your pulling the plonker is going to have an @epic finish.
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  5. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Every few years, the British and Irish Lions team will tour the Rugby playing world for a series of test matches. The team comprises the headbutty goodness of the Scottish; the heady traditions of the English; the close harmony singing of the hirsute Welsh, and the token inclusion of the Irish (trolololol).

    Last year, on their 125th Anniversary, they toured Australia in a 3 match series which they won 2-1.

    Even on the other side of the planet, we have an immodest number of Britons living here and even more came out for the series.

    Unless you've experienced it, you've no idea what it's like to be in a stadium as the home team, see a sea of red and white, and hear tens of thousands of people singing in support of their team. It's daunting, it's moving, and it works in favour of the team with the most cheers.

    Funnily enough, the British fans didn't need to eyebang girls in order to be reminded to cheer...
  6. V-2 Jedi Master

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    I hated playing rugby at school, can't bear to watch it, but **** me it's better than American football.
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  7. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    There's pauses in North American football when they take huddles and so forth, the clock is still counting, so the game is going on but there's actual, like, not a game happening at that point just killing clock. At which point, cheerleaders turn to the spectators and encourage cheering in the crowd for those brief seconds where play is not actually happening but the game is still technically ongoing. It's not like soccer where the is no stoppage in play.

    I'm glad your team won! Go you!

    I restate:

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  8. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    [face_peace]
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  9. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Scrum.
  10. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    My exposure to rugby pretty much entirely consisted of watching Invictus. Okay flick. That Matt Damon sure can emote!
  11. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    On average, in football, the ball is in play for 63 minutes. Taking into account injury time, that means for over thirty minutes the ball is not in play. At half time, there is a fifteen minute break. There is also time before the game. All of these could conceivably have people dancing around to entertain the crowd (I'm aware there are male cheerleaders, but not at the professional sporting level I think I'm right in saying). But it's not needed, or wanted.
  12. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I don't think cheerleaders are needed or necessary at all and I agree it is lowest common denominator pandering. But they are an element of the sport, at least at venues in my country, and one of the various things cheerleaders do (ie. facilitating cheering) can have a positive effect upon the outcome of the game.
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  13. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Where is the evidence of that?
  14. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Players like cheering, they often reference how the energy of the crowd allowed them to make plays. One of the things cheerleaders do is encourage spectators to cheer. Well, moreso.
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  15. GenAntilles Jedi Master

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    Cheerleading is the objectification of women. It may or may not have been created for those reasons but that is what it is now. And thus all civilized individuals must shun and demand the practice be ended as they would for any activity women take part in where their objectification is the primary response.
  16. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    You also said it's the lowest common denominator^

    Isn't that a greater issue than scoring more? Again, no other country requires cheerleaders in any sport, as far as I know.

    And you been to games, so let me ask, what do the cheerleaders do when the opposition has the ball? Surely that shouting they cause would encourage the oppo? Does the opposition bring cheerleaders to the away games?

    And you didn't provide anything to suggest there is greater cheering when cheerleaders are involved.
  17. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I don't believe appealing to a lowest common denominator necessarily makes something bad. When the opposition has the ball either the cheerleaders for the home team don't respond or they turn to the fans and encourage them to boo and jeer. I also do not believe that cheering is greater or louder or more raucous when cheerleaders are involved. However, what they can do is encourage people to cheer (Person not cheering, cheerleader encourages cheering, person is now cheering.) which, in turn, can inspire players on the field, who only hear the cheering not the specific actions of that person cheering only because they did it to possibly get the attention or impress the pretty cheerleader. It's not as if without cheerleaders nobody would ever cheer, of course they would.
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  18. harpua Chosen One

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    ****ing lol.
  19. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Apologize. Right now.
  20. harpua Chosen One

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  21. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I barely know you! Romance me a bit first, geez.
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  22. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Al you're a lost cause. I've done all I can, enjoy the ridicule you so richly deserve. And your angry palm pumping. And your guns, because I assume you have multiple.

    Peace out.
  23. harpua Chosen One

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    You're nauseating... I just don't know what else to say. Your posts make me physically ill.
  24. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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  25. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Don't own guns, never have, never want to, never will. Canadians aren't as obsessed with guns as Americans are.

    I apologize that you are having a physiological reaction to message board posts.
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