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Senate Christianity Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jabba-wocky, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. Skywalker8921

    Skywalker8921 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Can you provide a scholarly, accredited, trustworthy source that you have, from a reliable physical book or journal article, that can back up your claims or not? You keep telling me to use Google, but the Internet is not always trustworthy.
     
  2. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Less trustworthy than an ancient book of fables? Riiiight.
     
  3. Skywalker8921

    Skywalker8921 Jedi Knight star 4

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    If you are not willing to provide or simply can't provide (because you don't have one) a trustworthy, scholarly source from someone who has studied this in depth and has a reasonable explanation for these supposed relationships, then why should I believe you? You keep demanding that I provide scientific sources for my assertions, because only science has the answers, but when I ask you to do the same, you try to dodge my requests.
     
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  4. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Methinks she's trolling you, timmoishere, especially given that a similar request for accredited sources on her end a few pages ago, was met with 'You're going to hell if you don't believe the Bible is absolute truth whether I have accredited sources or not'.
     
  5. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  7. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Believe it or not, I've often asked the same question, and I was going to include it in my post, but I got sidetracked. It's an intriguing question, and when I meet God face to face, I want to ask Him where He came from. I'll try to get back to you with the answer. :D

    Like I said before, I believe in miracles. By definition, a miracle is unscientific. So science will never explain a miracle.

    That story is certainly true. JOel Osteen has nothing to do with it; I don't listen to him. The father and the friend with the envelope are both good friends of mine with no reason to make things up. $10 for a pizza, sure; you tip the delivery guy, right? And he's not the kind of person who normally orders pizza without knowing how to pay for it. I take the fact that he did to be another indication God was at work. I'm not putting this out as "Guaranteed Proof Gawd iz Reel!" I'm saying I've seen enough things like this to make me believe there is more to life than what we see.

    I"ll be back soon with some questions on zero point energy...
     
  8. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Lowbacca_1977, thanks for the universal expansion/contraction review; I haven't looked at stuff like that in a while. That was a good memory refresher.

    So here's my question about zero point energy. I get the idea that energy and matter, particles and anti-particles, are switching back and forth and maintaining a net of zero in the energy/matter equation. Why are they going back and forth? How did that cycle get started? I wouldn't expect there to be any disturbance to start the process. And it seems counter to the principle of entropy.
     
  9. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Jedi Master star 6

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    It's not a cycle. It's random particle generation and annihilation, in the same way that radioactive decay is a random process. So what's happening is that matter (and antimatter) are being generated, then annihilating again basically at random. There's not a cycle in play, it's just that on the very small scale, events don't behave strictly under the rules of cause and effect, but there is also random and spontaneous events occurring.
     
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  10. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    obviously it's because the 'rules of cause and effect' were created by FLAWED and SINFUL human beings! god rules science drools THERE
     
  11. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    A thought I'm carrying over from the creation thread...

    Let's say the Bible is literally true. We have the story of Jesus at the wedding in Cana, in which the guests had what I consider a pretty serious crisis: they ran out of wine.

    Jesus noticed this, had the hosts bring him two massive barrels of water, did his magic stuff, turned that water into wine, and averted the crisis.

    Based on this story, Jesus was a pretty damn cool dude. And I would like for him to come to my house and fix my sink.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Actually science does explain miracles. It explains them away and untrue.
     
  13. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yep. Just because no explanation exists for a given phenomenon doesn't mean one can't be found eventually. Things that have been classified as miracles in the past can easily be explained by our current understanding of science.
     
  14. epic

    epic Ex Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    ?
     
  15. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    A truly loving god would not punish folks simply for not believing in him. And a truly just god would provide concrete evidence of his existence in order to convince all skeptics.

    Therefore, I can only conclude that your god is neither loving nor just.
     
  16. epic

    epic Ex Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    it's a bit presumptious of god to think that people would even want to believe, or worship him anyway. even if there was concrete evidence of his existence, i wouldn't want to worship him given the attrocities he's committed over the years. he also comes across as a bit needy which isn't particularly appealing.
     
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  17. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    [​IMG]

    Now you're just stalling.

    Not sure if serious, or just trolling.
     
  18. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Knight star 4

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    I wonder if he ever turns water into beer?
     
  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Beer has a lot of calories. Jesus loves those of us who are watching our weight. :p
     
  20. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    OK, Jesus, make it 18% ABV mead and you've got a deal. :p
     
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  21. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    I have friends who brew their own mead. It usually comes out about 30 proof. And smoooooth!
     
  22. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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  23. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    memebase.com
     
  25. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Yes, Jesus appears to be nothing more than a remake, remix or rehash of earlier myths. A not insignificant number of scholars doubt that he ever existed in the first place.
     
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