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Senate Christianity Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jabba-wocky, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Egyptian god of dope ass beats
     
  2. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    That was my thought and I don't even give a crap about "winning," I was more interested in whether or not there are any accredited scientists that espouse the young earth theory and can back it up with non-Bible-based evidence.
     
  3. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    These christianity threads never fail to entertain, although the ones with Wormie were solid gold. Lee Strobel and Kirk Cameron owe their careers to that girl, I think she bought every psycho christian apologetics book ever published just so she could argue on a SW message board.
     
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  4. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    God said, "Let there be light" and the photons streamed forth across the face of the darkness and they were both waves and particles simultaneously and the scientists were greatly astonished at the sophistication and elegance of God's creation.
    My point is, for God (who had just created the universe and everything in it and all the laws that govern it) it would be simpler than simple to create light billions of light years from its source an instant after it was created.
     
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    This is the second time tonight that I've spit beer at my screen after reading a post here, and the first time involved a mental image of Chewbacca with a keg.

    Well played, TF.N, well played.

    (ETA: not directed at you, Sarge.)
     
  6. Zapdos

    Zapdos Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I believe Morgan Freeman created the Earth
    You don't need proof if you believe
     
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  7. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    So the Bible is immutable then? Despite the fact that there's evidence, even in the text itself, that its been copied and changed over the millennia? Have you heard of apocrypha? The Gnostic gospels?
     
  8. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i dont think you know what "elegance" means, but your acceptance of my suggestion that god is a cosmic troll warms the cockles of my heart
     
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  9. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Yup, God's definitely ****ing with us.
     
  10. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    No way, it's definitely one of Satan's temptations.
     
  11. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    no that's just what god WANTS you to think
     
  12. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Rogue_Ten, what does elegance mean to you?
     
  13. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    not needless complication
     
  14. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    It's quite interesting for SkywalkerNumbers to talk about people not accepting her faith as proof when she won't accept basic science as evidence.
     
  15. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    Religious hypocrisy FTW.
     
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  16. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    thanks for that valuable contribution, katana. you're a gem
     
  17. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    There's no reason she should. This line of discussion started when someone asked about supposed contradictions in the Bible. In answering what was frankly a huge number of them, SkywalkerNumbers correctly noted the lives of Adam and Eve. When pressed further about explaining Adam and Eve's existence relative to the rest of history, she again offered a quite valid Biblical interpretation that resolved the issue without creating contradictions. She then concluded by noting that people who were not Christian probably would not accept these explanations as true.

    Where is the big flaw here? I understand perfectly well that you think it would be more reasonable for to be atheist, or at least not to be a creationist. But she never really claimed to "prove" anything other than a lack of contradictions in the passages she was asked about. This was more or less successfully demonstrated, and doesn't require accepting or rejecting scientific evidence to do so.
     
  18. MandaloreYak

    MandaloreYak Jedi Master star 5

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    What happened to this being a discussion within the Bible? Or at least, like, respectful?
     
  19. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    Wocky, you are misunderstanding the scope of my post. I am only commenting on her biblical creationism. Don't try to expand my post into any other topic.
     
  20. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Nothing says "respect" like telling other people they're going to hell for not believing in the same book that you do. Just sayin'.
     
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  21. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Also, nothing says respect like offering to pray for those who don't believe in said book. "I'll pray for you" is just a passive-aggressive middle finger. It's grown tiresome.

    Here's the deal: science says the earth is 4.6 billion years old, religion says it's 6000. Science has evidence, religion does not. Therefore, science wins.
     
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  22. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    As PRENN said earlier, nothing in the Bible directly says anything about the age of the planet. It's just an interpretation-- from people studying the "begat" chapters or something-- that gained wide acceptance among some Christians. In other words, it's a complete ass-pull. Like the trinity! [face_beatup]
     
  23. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Evidence is not proof. So no one has won, yet.

    I would also dispute that religion does not have evidence. Creationists look at the evidence and interpret it differently than evolutionists.
     
  24. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, generally speaking one satisfies the burden of proof with evidence. Evidence itself falls into different levels of reliability. Most, if not all, of the so called 'evidence' which supports a religious worldview (that, is, the existence of god as creator) falls into the lowest level of reliability (that is, the bible and personal experience), whilst the evidence which supports a non-religious worldview (but doesn't necessarily exclude the existence of god) falls into a higher level of reliability simply because of the methodology which is used to support that evidence.

    There may well be a god and everything in the bible may well be true, there is just no objective, reliable evidence which supports that proposition. All science does is offer up an alternative explanation to the religious narrative which is more reliable in terms of methodology. That there is no methodologically reliable evidence for the existence of god is the essence of religious faith.
     
  25. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    How else can you interpret the existence of fossils, both of humankind and of dinosaurs, other than how they completely invalidate the biblical story of creation?