Clone Wars 3D Continuity

Let's be honest, the whole Force-chest-crush-leads-to-coughing-thing was just ridiculous. Grievous has all his internal organs in a bags and bowls, a technology which hasn't been perfected yet, and is a visual precursor to the strained breathing of Darth Vader. The Clone Wars guys found out too late and threw in a lame retcon. I hope Grievous is a cowardly, coughing slimy villain in the new show, it would be a final insult to the old cartoon, which was over-the-top, and chock full of the worst animation I've seen since Powerpuff Girls.

 

Its cool that Matt Wood is coming back. I recognised his voice in the trailer straight away.

 

Lucus obviously liked the microseries (as did I) for the reasons you stated. But I wouldn't say that it is part of the same continuity. We just don't know yet.

Just because he liked it, doesn't mean he's not going to over-write it and other aspects of the clone wars. He will want to tell an original story, and he and his team of writers for the series will do just that. I am almost positive he is going to mess with the overall continuity (this includes novels, games, comics, and the cartoons) in some way, whether major or minor. And guess what, he can because he's George Lucas. He created it. As much as others can go and make a cool story, he always reserves the right to go "no this is what happened." Enter the retcon. The only thing us fanboys have to help us sleep at night...

He retconned his OWN movies to make them fit better with the PT, for crying out loud!

 

The continuity of the Clone Wars? The new Clone Wars show will be a remake and a expansion upon the old micro-series. Lucas said himself at a recent director's festival that the Cartoon Network micro-series were a "test".

Furthermore, at MF.com, a member there who was at Celebration 4, posted that at one of the Clone Wars panels, one of the panelists indicated "the series will span the entire Clone Wars era, which means the characters will evolve. Anakin will have his full on ROTS look as well as the clone troopers."

The2ndquest said as much in the first post of this very thread:

The Clone Wars needed to be re-visted as the Cartoon Network's micro-series doesn't do it justice. Judging by the trailer, Clone Wars 3D looks like it will.

 

No offense to Lucas, but that fact is exactly what removes any credibility he once had as a writer. I hate to dog on Lucas, but it's the truth. He can't keep his own stories staight, and he has such a huge ego that he refused to hire people to serve as continuity checkers (Yes, I know he did in terms of editing, but in the end the story is what matters the most.) or even talented screenplay writers. He himself has admitted he isn't good at writing and that he doesn't really enjoy it, yet he continues to write.

Grievous was a badass who lived up to his reputation in the Clone Wars series and the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. However, in the film Revenge of the Sith, he is a bumbling idiot who serves no purpose other than to get Obi-Wan away from Coruscant.

 

Of course it didn't do it justice. It wasn't meant to. But that is not the principle issue of continuity problems that we will run into, IMO.

The vast majority of storline that we currently have for the era doesn't come from the micro-series; it comes from the literature written about the period. Therefore, most of the continuity in jeopardy comes from novels and comics (most of which I really enjoyed--hence why I keep bringing it UP!).

Sorry if I sound like a broken record, and I realize some of you haven't read any of that material, so you may not even care. But my point in all of my posts on this thread has been this:

If this series will truly span "the entire clone wars era" or "bridge the gap between the first and second volumes of the microseries", either way, there have been a lot of established storylines that occur in that time that may not jive if the writers choose to tell a different story than what is already known.

 

I don't think it's the writers we have to worry about... it's Lucas.

 

I hope not, but we shall see. The dark side clouds everything... difficult to see the future is.

I still have a lot of respect for Lucas. If it weren't for him we wouldn't be here debating ANYTHING!
However, I do agree to an extent about his writing...

 

The clone wars should have been left as they were. I think this new series will sink it. I don't care if this damn thing is in high def, is done like a live action tv series/movies. IT IS STILL ANIMATION, and not everybody watches animation. Funny, they might play video games, but they say animation and cartoons are for kids and nerds. Will it be good, probably, will it get the whole world to watch it, maybe, will people care....why, really since we know were everything is headed, and there ain't going to be any more movies.

 

You are right, we don't know for certain. But I have to disagree with that last part. Lucas doesn't have the best track record. He goes against continuity if it suits his purposes. There are a lot of examples. A lot have already been mentioned by me and others.

Unfortunately it is the nature of STAR WARS EU. Lucas always reserves the right to change it. And I believe this show will take precedence over any other EU source. That doesn't mean I am not excited. And you may be right, it may be fine. They could work with the existing continuity... but I still have a bad feeling about this.

 

Yeah, we see eye to eye there. It will most likely be small things.

The only thing I could see being pseudo-monumental as part of the continuity debate is when Anakin beomes a Knight. When did he become a Jedi Knight? Early on in the war as suggested by the micro-series, or 6 months before ROTS like Jedi Trial claims...

this is already a continuity problem that exists between the micro-series and the other existing EU content... they can't both be right, so which one is it?

 

Glad to see this conversation going more in both directions now. Based on Lucas' quotes regarding the series and the shere size of it (apparently 100 eps) I really think it will cover the majority of the Clone Wars timeline and all major events therein. And as willy wonka said, I think it will be given presedence over existing EU if there are any contradictions. And it should because Lucas is overseeing the story and all complaints about him aside, he is THE source for SW. Didn't we hear from some at the OS that there will be a new canon level for the TV series?

I don't think there will be huge changes to the existing EU, but there will most likely be changes regardless. The reason why it doesn't bother me personally is because the new series looks great and is striving for some sense of (SW movie) realism, I don't read SW books and I thought the CW cartoons were kinda cool but nothing I will miss if they are `redone` if that's the case. They were too OTT.

Also, I agree with sith rising that I want to see Grevious as a slimy, sneaky villain as he was in ROTS. I liked him that way. Some people where let down by this because of the CW cartoon's portrayal of him which was OTT to begin with. Lucas said he wanted him to be strong but not super powerful so he wouldn't appear more powerful than the other villains. He also used the word `cowardly` to describe him as did Mace in ROTS.

Basically I'm pretty pumped. We got two SW TV shows coming out. Not to mention great next-gen games likes TFU, BF3 and probably KOTR sometime. It's a good time to be fan. Besides more movies, what more could we ask for? Oh yeah...a loaded saga box set!

 

The 100 eps comment is in regard to the live action series, not the Clone Wars series.

 

From the TV and radio festival:
"He said he would produce 100 episodes of the animated ?Clone Wars? series, ?then make a deal to show them."

For what it's worth wookiepedia also says that 100 are expected and lists the new series as "T" cannon.

 

I don't think so. Is there an official document to show that jump in time? Nothing in the episode seems to indicate it. I just watched it. The scene at the council and all the scenes on Coruscant following seem to take place immediately following the battle. Ki-Adi-Mundi is clearly talking about grievous besting him at the Battle of Hypori. Why would he bring up something that happened over two years ago? That is the reason why they Knight Anakin early. They needed more knights with the emerging threat of Grievous.

The jump in time seems to happen AFTER he is Knighted. Here is the link for wookieepedia for what its worth. Apparently, this is still an area of dispute.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_Micro-Series#Continuity_issues

 

Sweet! That actually makes me feel better... You rock The2ndQuest! I will sleep a little better tonight. And I feel good helping to contribute to wookieepedia! I saw the newly **ited microseries page!

 

Hey, how about throwing some love my way!

Mind you, we all love The2nd.

 

if Anakin has only been a Knight for around 6 months... that makes him seem even more pretentious in ROTS. He has been a Knight for less than a year and already thinks he deserves to be a Master! lol...

I wonder if they will take creative license with Anakin's hair for the series. In the trailer and the image released, it seems that they are only covering a period after his Knighthood if you go by his look. But six months isn't very much time for a 100 episode series. What do you guys think... will they fudge on anakin's hairstyle just so they can make him look cooler for the series?

One clue might be that they said Obi-wan would slowly de-armor and the clones would move to phase 2 armor. So maybe the images in the trailer just deal with one period of time from the series.