Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.
That's okay, Kenobi has plenty of girlfriends to spare.
Unless Maul pulls an Abeloth, and makes it his new life's duty to hunt down all of Kenobi's girlfriends
And impersonate them.
"Did you think it was Ventress you were kissing? No, it was I, your arch-rival, Darth Maul! MY REVENGE IS COMPLETE!"
We better be careful what we say. Lucas may have 'retired,' but he could secretly be looking at these forums and decide to come back and make it so Maul decides to go impersonate Kenobi's girlfriends.
"Hey, Filoni, I'm back. I was just online, and this great idea came to me. We'll have Maul kill Satine, and then he'll put on her clothes and pretend to be Satine in front of Obi-Wan. Then when he fails to kill Obi-Wan, he'll go hunt down and kill Ventress, since it's not like she's important, then put on a baldcap and her clothing, and try it again. It'll be great, the kids will love it. Imagine all the toys it will sell."
"Um, we'll let you handle that George"
"No, it's such a great idea, we'll all participate it. It'll become a season long arc. We'll keep inventing formers girlfriends for Obi-Wan, and Maul will keep killing and impersonating them. It'll go over great with fans who want more continuity in this show. And think of all the new action figures that can be made of Maul. Obi Wan's Girlfriend Maul #1, Obi-Wan's Girlfriend Maul #2, Satine Maul, Ventress Maul, you know what, I think there was even at least one EU girlfriend Obi Wan had. We'll rekill her if need be. Siri, I think. And no not the iPhone thing. It'll be fantastic."
"Uh, George, are you hearing yourself?"
"Yeah, why, am I not speaking loud enough? We can even include Mortis somehow. Maybe have Maul impersonate the Daughter. I think there was a spark there between her and Obi-Wan. The fans will eat this up. The fans even said they wanted this on the internet. And if you say things on the internet, they've gotta be true."
"George, are you feeling alright?"
"I've feeling better than ever. And you know what, after this, we can have an enemy of Yoda's come back and kill and impersonate Yoda's old girlfriends. It's be magnificient. Why didn't we think of this sooner."
"George, we need to have a little talk..."
@Super_Battle_Droid never posts his brilliant insights in this forum, so I shall repost it here on his behalf:
Lurmen were not really new, they were Mygeetans right from the concept art for Ep 3.
Oh, and Kyuzo(Embo) is new as well. Probably more, maybe Robonino & the Octopus guys(like the guy from Secret Weapons.
So, five seasons so far.
A few planets, but nothing "stand-out-ish".
About <15~ new species. A few variants. Most are non-stand-out-ish. The sharks (Karkarodons) could be used for something in EU, but their a bit limited basically being required to be aquatic.
Any new layers or interesting plots they could expand, use, or alter? Basically all I'm seeing is Mortis on this one. I don't have a perfect recall of the seasons/episodes, I DVR the show, watch the episode once, then delete it. Never gotten the DVDs or anything to re-watch the episodes. So I'm sure I've missed quite a bit.
Any new starships/vehicles/or other designs? I know some of the Seperatist droids are new.
Any other new technology/gadgets/etc.?
Any new Force groups/traditions/philosophies?
One shows up in the prison episode with undercover Obi-Wan. So they seem to be fine on land.
Which is why Anakin needs to be in every episode.
I have to disagree - I think the Clone Wars has been the best source for new planets in.....many, many years basically, except possibly for Knight Errant. Hell, even already known planets ended up looking a lot cooler on the show than they did before.
Or just completely different.
Howso? Ryloth got butchered. Mandalore butchered. Mon Cal got changed a bit. Dathomir got changed.
Coruscant is the same as it was in a movie.
Onderon looked similar, pretty much the same.
What NEW planets did the show add that wasn't in the EU before and immediately jumps out to you? I can't really think of any new planet from TCW that I think "wow, I'd like to read a book set on there".
Dr. Steve Brule with the exact same time post interception. And I thought I didn't need to use the quote function, hah.
Mortis was a new planet, for one. The Void planet is another. Stuff like Ordo Plutonia and Pantora are also basically new for TCW. We could make a similar list for the Starships/Vehicles and Technology/Gadgets. New groups of Force users is a tougher one, but the Father, Son and Daughter could be argued to be a new sect of Force users I think.
If you like the stuff, well thats really open to subjectivity. But in answer to "has TCW added stuff?" is yes it has.
The Void planet doesn't add anything.
I think we should make a list for all new planets, alien species, characters (relevant, big, main, new, interesting, whatever criteria), technology/gadgets, force groups/philosophies/sects, religions, droids, starships/vehicles, etc.
And then we should go down the list and see what's actually "adding" to the overall EU.
A planet like the void (Abafar) from this past episode doesn't really add anything to the EU.
I think trying to determine what adds anything to the EU is a subjective waste of time.
You know what didn't give us new planets (at least nothing I can recall)? Legacy. You know what didn't give us new species? Mindor.
I fail to see the correlation.
Those "rock aliens" in the wreckage of the planet? I don't recall reading about them before.
Still, I believe Coop's point stands, regardless of the example.
True- adding new stuff may be less important than good characterization and writing.
Yeah, I was sure I'd be contradicted the second I said that, but you take my meaning.
There isn't a correlation and no one said there was.
I never even made mention of what a correlation could be in response to. Or what the outcome of this correlation was. I never said "products that don't add to X = Y". I never once said that. Please do not put words in my mouth.
It was merely brought up how the show hasn't added much, and outside of a few memorable things, as pretty much been void of adding anything to the EU.
So I was just going with that and discussing what the show *DID* add. I wasn't inferring, referring, implying, adding, trolling, subtracting, dividing, multiplying, or making correlations, and I was least of all not putting words in others mouths nor was I being rude, discourteous, or using edits, or being snarky by wording when pointing out the species of an alien to others.
But if we are going to discuss the merits of if something should add to the overall feel of the universe. I would say, something as suitable and geared towards adding to the EU like the TCW show is capable of - and the fact that it's failed at doing so, is definitely an overall minus for things, all things considered. You bring up Mindor as an example of something that didn't add a new species. No, it didn't, you are correct - unless it did and I haven't bothered to look it up on Wookiepedia, but I know nothing stands out to me that it did - BUT, in Mindor's defense; 1) it's a 300~ page novel vs. a 5-season TV show, 2) this wasn't a typical novel. It didn't "expand" the timeline, it was a story that "filled in". Similar to Plageuis. We knew a framework of Mindor pre-Mindor and Mindor told the story of the blurb we knew. Now, as to your other example, Legacy. This is a different case, and its far more similar to TCW than Mindor in. Legacy was a 54(55? 56?) issue comic. It's a comic, so its far more visual than Mindor, so closer to TCW in that aspect as well. Now, did it add any new planets? I honestly don't know, I stopped reading it after Vector and I lost all sorts of interest especially considering I was weak on Legacy before that to begin with. So without consulting sources, I couldn't tell you or not if Legacy added any new planets. But I do know it added quite a bit of other stuff, technology, characters, species, etc.
TCW is what, a five-season show, of 18-24 episodes per season, meaning (roughly averaging at 20 episodes per season) a 100 episode show, at 20 minutes an episode, that's 2000 minutes worth of television that it's delivered. When the sum total of that can be dropped down to only a few memorable things, of ~15 at best (for *ALL* of the categories above, planets/characters/ideas/force groups/philosophies/religions/technology/vehicles/starships/droids/etc.), and this is a direct source straight from Lucas so it even has the ability to flat-out ignore EU or re-shape EU if it wants to (unlike Mindor/Legacy) so it has ultimate control over itself, that's a sad indication. The fact that you need to stretch a bit to find applicable ways to not view this as a bad thing is a bit laughable.
I've seen every episode minus maybe 5-6 episodes from S1/S2. I've read about 20 issues of Legacy and the 1 Mindor novel, and I would say that the 20 issues of Legacy and 1 Mindor novel added a lot more depth to the EU as a whole than the Lucas directly ran TCW of 2000~ minutes.
Opinions vary, which was the point of my comment about this being a waste of time.
If you're looking to make some definitive list of what "actually adds to the EU", you're not going to get it, because you won't get anywhere near a consensus on what "actually adds to the EU".
But, since I'm bored, I'll come up with a list.
Ahsoka Tano, Rex, Fives, Echo, Krell, Rush Clovis, Darts D'Nar, Derrown, Lok Durd, Steela Gerrera, Mar Tuuk, Riff Tamson, Talzin, Latts Razzi, the young Jedi kids, Savage Oppress, Cad Bane, Hondo Ohnaka, etc etc etc.
That's not even counting expansion on characters like Ventress, Yularen, Plo Koon, etc.
Mortis, Lotho Minor (first in TCW book, but I'm counting it), Lola Sayu, Kaliida Nebula (nebula, but counting), Raxus, Rishi moon, Rugosa, Toydaria, etc.
There are several more that have given us our first visual look at the planet.
Electro-proton bomb, thermal shields, the darksaber (black lightsaber)
Original Vehicles and Starships:
Arquitens-class light cruiser, Balutar-class swoop, BTL-B Y-Wing, Corona-class armed frigate (flying saucer), Droch-class boarding ship, Eta-class shuttle, Vulture's Claw (Gha Nachkt's ship), the Twilight (for a moment this ship felt like Anakin's Millennium Falcon), the stealth ship, the Halo (Sugi's ship), Starhawk speeder bikes, "super tanks", Trandoshan floating fortress, T-6 shuttle, Jedi jumpspeeder, Zygerrian slave ship, etc etc etc
Belugan, Cosian, Diathim, Faust, Frenk, Lurmen, Kyuzo, Moogan, Terrellian Jango Jumpers, Ming Po, Kage, Khramboan, Harch...
I think that's more than 15. You can say what you want about them, but this stuff has been added to the EU, and I like quite a bit of it.