Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.

  1. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    AOTC makes it pretty clear that the Jedi Order of the PT era does not tolerate any of its members having relationships, either within the Order or inside of it, or having families.
  2. Iron_lord Jedi Grand Master

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    Later works such as No Prisoners have "Jedi splinter factions"- like that of Djinn Altis. Maybe Thracia was a member of one of these, on good enough terms with Yoda to make regular visits to Coruscant?
  3. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    I disagree.

    Anakin had a pregnant wife and they let him slide. I'm pretty sure they knew. I don't take everything that is said in the movies at "absolute" face value.

    I think exceptions can and were made, there are several examples in the EU.

    To follow up on what Iron_lord said, Thracia Cho Leem hardly seemed like a member of the Jedi Order at all, she seems to come and go as she pleases.

    So, if you want, you can say that she's not even a proper member of the Jedi Order in Rogue Planet.

    As I said, I have no problem with it.
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  4. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    The EU novels set in the time leading up to ROTS establish that Obi-Wan was the only other Jedi to know that Anakin was in a relationship with a woman, and that while he kept it to himself, he did not approve of it.
  5. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    I think Yoda's knowledge of their relationship is evident in the movies.
  6. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I think Yoda knew Anakin cared for Padmé more than he should have, but I don't think he knew they were in a relationship. There's no way he'd have just sat on that, with everything else that was going on.
  7. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    What about Anakin meeting Tarkin in Rogue Planet? How does that mesh with the TCW episodes?
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  8. Iron_lord Jedi Grand Master

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    Do the TCW episodes explicitly state he's never met Tarkin before?
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  9. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I've long since given up expecting PT Tarkin to be at all consistent. I'll live longer for it, I think.
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  10. General Immodet Jedi Master

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    I have wondered about that too...
  11. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    To be fair, 'lil Annie was pretty pissed at Tarkin in RP. He probably didn't want to give the man the courtesy of remembering him.

    Plus, during the course of the war, he runs into so many random officers who probably have similar names, so how is he to know that this random captain is the same as the governor he had to deal with earlier?
  12. General Immodet Jedi Master

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    Tarkin is quite a remarkable figure, wouldn't you say?
  13. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    Sure, but Anakin has no reason to know that if he's just met the guy once before when he was a kid. He's got all his Jedi training between then and the war, plus all the people he's encountered during the course of the war -- some of whom were remarkable in their own right.

    It might be a stretch of credulity, but a reasonable one I think. As always, I prefer to read texts together rather than to assume one invalidates the other. We can massage these things as long as they're plausible.
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  14. Zorrixor Force Ghost

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    Agreed.

    Plus it's more likely Anakin just heard people talking about how the governor did this, the governor did that, where's the governor, what's the governor doing, I like the governor, I hate the governor, rather than necessarily hearing the name Tarkin that much.

    I certainly was told the names of various people back when I was a kid, but like heck would I remember them all beyond "oh, that guy who taught the other class... what was his name again? Uh... I dunno." Memory isn't nice and clear like a Wookieepedia page.
  15. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    It just seems unlikely to me that Anakin would forget someone like Tarkin.
  16. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    "Oh hi, nice to meet you. What's your name?"
    "We've met several times. We had like four classes together. [face_plain] "


    ^ I had that conversation about a month or two ago. Granted, this person was no Tarkin but you know -- these things happen.

    Tarkin was someone Anakin met like a decade before TCW. That's a long time.
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  17. Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Master

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    It's not like TCW is the only thing to throw a twist into prequel-era Tarkin. In Cloak of Deception he's a lieutenant governor, and then a year later in RP he's a lowly naval commander? Strange career trajectory.
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  18. Grey1 Host: 181st Imperial Discussion Group

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    Doesn't Obi-Wan point out in Obsession that "every Padawan on Coruscant" knows where Anakin is spending his spare time, meaning wherever Padmé is? Although I think the CW media project had some diverging interpretations with this being the most aggressive one.

    And seeing how EU even kicked Palpatine down a notch - he had to find out about the wedding through Typho - I'm pretty sure Yoda and the Jedi only think of Anakin and Padmé as friends. Therefore, it's perfectly okay to constantly have them on missions together. Obi-Wan was appointed as Padmé's security in AOTC with no objection to Palpatine pointing him out as "an old friend". And what do we see all around? Jedi having "old friends" everywhere. Yoda in Best Blades and on Kashyykk, Mace with the Colossus of Destiny. Bail Organa if you look at it the other way round. The Jedi still form connections with other beings, keeping contacts so that they can effectively help on a galactically important level, not just on the level of diner owners and freighter captains. If Yoda senses anything, then only that Padmé has an important destiny, and that it is a good thing to have a Jedi with a natural connection to her.

    And after all, it only makes Obi-Wan more awesome if he was the only one who found out and tried to support Anakin the best he could. Awesome as a friend - other than that, this probably contributed big time to his failure as a master.
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  19. Iron_lord Jedi Grand Master

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    Panaka I think. From the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary. In the RoTS novel he says "Do you think I have no friends among the Naboo clergy? Your secret marriage has never been secret. Not from me, at any rate."
  20. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    Has the EU attempted to address this discrepancy at all?
  21. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    No reason he can't be both; a lieutenant governor is a civil administrative position and a naval commander is a military position. Yeah, the former is more powerful than the latter, but they're different charts -- perhaps he thought a stint in the navy would be good for his career, or he is on the reserve lists and does active service from time to time in between administrative duties.

    There's really no problem there at all.
  22. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    He's like that kid in high school that joins all the extracurriculars just so they can put them on their college applications.

    On the Anakin thing - I don't know that even Obi-Wan necessarily would've known about the marriage. I think "every Padawan on Coruscant" knew that Anakin and Padmé were very close, but there's no reason--or obvious means--for anyone to know hard details about the relationship. Those closest to him knew how attached they were to each other, and likely worried about it, but they knew that calling them out would just prompt a freak-out from Anakin, so they didn't bring it up. Then in RotS, Obi is feeling her out to get a sense of what she knows about Anakin's wherabouts, senses for the first time that she's pregnant, and puts two and two together.

    That's my read, anyway.
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  23. Iron_lord Jedi Grand Master

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    In The Clone Wars: Wild Space- Yoda has figured out something is up- though not how serious it is- and asks Obi-Wan to break them up, right after Geonosis. Obi-Wan gives Padme a lecture- but as we know, she rejects it.
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  24. Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Master

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    Although the GTW establishes that Tarkin's fleet in RP was set up by his uncle. He's basically switching a big government role for a (not even senior) post in what amounts to the family firm. Can't imagine that would work all too well as resume padding.
  25. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    Well, not all nepotism has to be extreme. I mean, if you look at people who intern in senatorial offices in the U.S., a lot of them are connected. Yet they're still mere interns. Now Tarkin's actually going from a position of responsibility to one of less responsibility, but perhaps he just doesn't have all that much military experience yet? His civil/administrative experience + connections get him somewhere, but not to the top. He still has his foot in the door in a way that a lot of others wouldn't.