Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.

  1. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

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    isnt it obvious that Tarkin in his youth thought girls in uniform are cool and thus he joined the military... which is where he might have found his wife then after all? we saw her in Marvel SW, but never when he married her, both in love stuffing their home with pink hearts and sweet presents each day.. he gets a miniature death star for her, she gives him a Mon Calamari slave for their anniversary... [face_whistling]
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  2. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    I feel like you might be projecting a bit, there.
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  3. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

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    not possible, never was in the military ;) and never will be
  4. JackG Jedi Grand Master

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    Another big continuity problem that's been overlooked - I believe - for a while is that Obi-Wan was also only meeting Grievous for the first time on the Invisible Hand in RotS, not only Anakin. The novel states this and the movie implies it, Lucas basically almost contradicted himself (and strained the scene). This makes Grievous' line on Utapau about being trained in Jedi arts less awkward than TCW's half a dozen meetings they've had.
    "You fool! I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."
    "Yes, I know. Remember those times aboard the Malevolence, above Saluecami and when you boarded my flagship when we dueled?"

    I wouldn't be surprised if in a later release of RotS they edit that line out, so as there's no reason to have awkwardness after whoring out the characters.
  5. blackmyron Jedi Grand Master

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    So Tarkin gives up a political position for a military one that ends up becoming the de facto rulership of the Outer Rim of the galaxy?

    It's almost like Tarkin knew that something was going to happen...
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  6. Jeff_Ferguson Jedi Grand Master

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    Just watched a Sunny Day in the Void. Total s**t. Last week's was a great light-hearted Artoo adventure, and it would have been perfect if they had left it as a standalone. This week's episode should be the posterchild for how hard they're trying to stretch everything out into a four-episode arc and consequently ending up with boring, dragging episodes where nothing happens.
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  7. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Same issue with Onderon
  8. JediAlly Jedi Master

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    Any idea when they're going to show the next episode? I checked the Wook, and they haven't listed the next episode in the Season 5 entry.
  9. Todd the Jedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Sometime in January, so no more this year.
  10. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Ahahahahahahah

    They just keep dragging it out
  11. Barriss_Coffee Retired Sith Lord

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    At least it's better than that one season where they kept doubling up episodes and then showed reruns every other week. Ick. I remember they lost a lot of viewers that year.
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  12. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    Indeed. According to the retcons that have amassed, Tarkin had been in the Outland Regions Security Force as a young man, and retired to run for lieutenant governor of Eriadu, which is where we see him in COD. Tarkin had been a political ally of Palpatine already, and it seems evident that he was also acting as a client of Darth Sidious as well, in secret. Once Palpatine becomes Chancellor, the NEGTC establishes that Tarkin left politics and Palpatine reactivated his military commission, transferring him to Coruscant, where he was used as a sort of secret agent for Palpatine/Sidious. Rogue Planet is pretty clear that Tarkin is in on a New Order cabal operating within the shadows of the Palpatine administration. I would guess that Tarkin knew he was making a wise career move by abandoning a low-level political career at home and heading to the galactic capital, where Palpatine presumably got him some kind of fairly influential staff position and he was able to act as an agent for the rising power of Darth Sidious behind the scenes. His military career advances, he's got the Chancellor's favor, and he's in a cabal that knows big changes are coming.

    During the Clone Wars, we then see him making his heroic return to his home sector, serving in the military and becoming governor of the sector on the strength of his military record, before he's appointed to the new Moff position by Palpatine at the end of the war and the rest is history. The arc is simpler than it seems when you factor in the fact that Tarkin is operating with some level of knowledge of Darth Sidious's schemes and the political patronage of Palpatine, and when he returns to the military he's working as their fixer and probably gets well-placed in the Judicial hierarchy.
  13. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    *sigh* It just keeps getting worse.....
  14. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    Sorry, but I just have to say this: This sort of thing perfectly illustrates what a bunch of unfeeling jerks the Jedi were in the last days of the Republic.
  15. HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master

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    In the prison arc, Anakin addresses Tarkin with just a tiny bit of snark when they debate at the end of the first episode. If one wishes, said snark perfectly plays into the fact that they once met each other, long ago. Anakin is only holding back for professional reasons due to them now being on the same side. It's obvious that they don't think very much of each other from the start of the arc, but slowly gain respect for one another as it progresses. This is acceptable and it is never explicitly stated that they have not met before.
  16. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    I sometimes feel as though TCW is designed as a giant middle finger to the EU. I can't help it.
  17. Barriss_Coffee Retired Sith Lord

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    Yeah, I didn't see TCW-Tarkin as contradicting Rogue-Planet-Tarkin in any way. You could definitely make a case for Anakin vaguely remembering him from that prior meeting and still harboring old feelings.

    Admittedly, it can be very annoying sometimes. The dead Jedi thing being the biggest nuisance. But they do make an attempt to incorporate the EU at every opportunity, including accurately rendering planets and species. And they're constantly name-dropping sectors and hyperlanes. It's a weird situation. They give with one hand and take with the other.[face_dunno]
  18. JackG Jedi Grand Master

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    Remember Revival: they mention the Hydian Way and Sertar Sector yet blatantly disregard Obsession by killing Adi. :rolleyes:
    So yes, I too see it as a giant middle finger to the EU; a sign of things to come.
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  19. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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  20. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    Just how much of the literature set during the Clone Wars (e.g. novels, comics) has been rendered N-Canon by TCW series? I know Obsession, from the Republic comics, has been kicked out, but what about the rest? I think we have to reject Karen Traviss' Republic Commando books, as they seem to conflict too much with the TV show in many regards. Don't know about all the stuff with Quinlan Vos, and everything else in the Republic comics.
  21. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    None, that I know of, not even KT's work.

    That's not really how they work the canon system, they try to keep everything. Leland Chee isn't in the habit of throwing things out.
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  22. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    That's not what I've heard.
  23. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    I'm pretty sure you've heard wrong, or have misunderstood. Inconsistencies do not render entire works non-canon.

    Even Piell died in the first Coruscant Nights book, that was changed by TCW, yet Coruscant Nights is still canon to the best of my knowledge.

    The Mandos have been changed dramatically in TCW, yet to the best of my knowledge KT's Republic Commando series is still canon.
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  24. Brenapp Jedi Knight

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    I imagine other people will have very different things to say about that...
  25. Iron_lord Jedi Grand Master

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    Skirata does get mentioned in Essential Guide to Warfare.