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Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.

  1. Danz Borin

    Danz Borin Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Coming from the person who replies only with snark, how is my replies any different? Especially to the attitude of Brenapp where he claims he's correct despite insurmountable evidence proving otherwise?
     
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  2. darthcaedus1138

    darthcaedus1138 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Don't abuse the power, or one day he may never come at all S3!
     
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  3. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    My post you quoted doesn't say anything about ignoring things I don't like. All I'm saying there is that I personally think cramming all of Anakin's post-AOTC adventures where he's still a Padawan into one month after Geonosis is a bit silly and unconvincing.
     
  4. Danz Borin

    Danz Borin Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Neither is cramming everything into the entire Clone Wars era. Cramming everything post-Yavin is pretty chaotic too.

    Hell, seriously, Luke's life is ridiculous to begin with. All of the things he did and all of the places he's gone, in <40 years is pretty short of amazing. Same with Anakin Skywalker's life. The amount of time spent on traveling along should be an entire lifetime or two. Let alone the events therein, and even if each event was just 1 day, there's no way it'd fit within a 40 year window, let alone less than that.

    That's the nature of universe EU, just like any other in-universe fiction. The more and more novels, comics, video games, movies, etc, that get added to a universe, the more it stretches credibility of those people being able to do it all.
     
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  5. JackG

    JackG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Thanks! :)
    I guess the final Maul episode of the season will be a cliffhanger.
     
  6. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Master star 4

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    Nothing has been definitively rendered N-Canon yet. Only the contradictions themselves (EU deaths, namely) are considered N-canon. General events in each story still happen at some point, supposedly, and the timeline will likely be greatly shifted. Most republic comics all the way before obsession easily fit either before the show began, or early into the show's first 2 seasons, ignoring any explicit mentions of the old timeline dates. Obsession is the story most likely to be invalidated, but it can also still be retconned to happen in some lesser form if they choose. Leland hasn't said one way or another yet (His answer was literally "ask me again sometime" when I asked in his last chat).

    After all, Obsession just got republished in the new TCW Omnibus. And we're getting a new novel that follows up CN books I-III and Jax Pavan's story. Even Piell will probably be described in the future as some other Jedi, but the rest of the story still happens. Even himself even still trained Jax at some point. He just no longer died in CN I.

    Messy and sloppy? Yes. But Lucas really is the one responsible for this. He wants those character deaths his way. The rest of TCW's issues can more or less be worked out, especially as we seem to be heading towards a conclusion here either in season 6 or 7 (and I'm starting to think 6 based on the way they've been talking.)
     
  7. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  8. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    lol, I find that highly unlikely.

    The "loop" is actually a fairly common shape used in fictional spacecraft, I find it more likely to be inspired by this:

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    In the latest edition of the Star Wars Timeline Gold, Nathan Butler has (perhaps wisely) chosen to list the original timeline for the Clone Wars (i.e. all the novels, games and comics pre-TCW) separately from the timeline presented in TCW series. He gives some good reasons for his decision.
     
  10. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's been like that for years.
     
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  11. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    The latest edition was done in August.
     
  12. FatSmel

    FatSmel Jedi Knight star 3

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    I have only recently started watching this show occasionally, and let me just say that it is so incerdibly terrible.
    It's difficult to watch, mostly because of how childish, stupid, and unrealistic the story-lines and dialogue are.
    But every episode contradicts previous continuity and even the movies at evey turn.

    Other than continuity and quality issues, there are other problems.
    The 2 episodes i watched recently involved
    (1) a kowakian monkey lizard who's only lines were repeats (basically exact recordings) from Jabba's in ROTJ.
    (2) similarly they had "Imperial Probe Droids" being used by the seperatists, who communicated constantly in the exact same code (also exact recordings) as was used in ESB (what was also supposed to be an Imperial Code . . . which shouldn't exist yet).

    Like, seriously, how hard is it to make new lines for a monkey-lizard and a probe droid without copy & pasting from the Original Trilogy
     
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  13. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Damn that Ben Burtt and his consistency.
     
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  14. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    If they're planning on milking it for some years yet, I think things'll get even worse as it goes on. And did it really have to go on as long as it has? Loads of stuff in the show just seems so unnecessary to me. Honestly, the only storylines I really care that much about are the Mandalore arc with Duchess Satine, and the Mortis arc. The rest is just padding.
     
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  15. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I dunno, I've liked more than I've disliked on this show. In terms of hit-or-miss, it's got about the same track record as the rest of the EU imo.[face_dunno]
     
  16. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Starting fights with everyone you see is actually a very effective way to meet new people.
     
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  17. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    HOW DARE YOU?? :mad:
     
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  18. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Prior to that as well, per his interviews.
     
  19. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Are you looking to start a fight... or coming on to me?
     
  20. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Why ruin the surprise?
     
  21. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don't like surprises. I prefer it when people scream at me. Bonus points if the screaming is phrased as a question, but the speaker clearly doesn't expect an answer.
     
  22. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Master star 5

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    I can't look at the Clone Wars timeline any other way but separately, because it isn't worth it for me to take TCW seriously.
     
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  23. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Given the choice, I'd much rather have the novels and comic books produced before the TV series.
     
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  24. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Master star 4

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    There is not actually a conflict here, merely a misunderstanding of context. The Republic Commando novels state that the Republic doesn't care for the long-term health of the clones. Debilitating injuries that can't be readily fixed, such as brain trauma, become more trouble then they're worth. Since the trooper can no longer serve in either a combat or support capacity, they're left to die rather than squander time, money, and resources on an "asset" that is no longer beneficial to the war effort. However, the Republic Commando series acknowledges the Rimsoos and med frigates established by the MedStar novel duology, and make note of such medical procedures as prosthetic limb replacements and bacta immersion, procedures which are logically being performed aboard the Kaliida facility and others like it.

    Issues concerning Mandalore and the Mandalorians, on the other hand, have been deftly dealt with by the likes of Jason Fry. Through his efforts and others', both versions of the planet and its inhabitants remain canon, each society—New Mandalorian pacifists and traditional warrior clans—living separate but at peace with each other, with the Death Watch on the outskirts of the culture.
     
  25. Brenapp

    Brenapp Jedi Padawan star 2

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    There are still lots of other discrepancies, and frankly, I don't entirely trust Lucasfilm to reconcile them in a satisfactory manner.
     
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