Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

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Am I the only one thinking Maul didn't use the force in the duel against Vizsla because it was against Mando duel traditions to do so, as previously established in KOTOR II? He used his force powers to enter the room and disable the guard, but he never once used it in the duel itself, cementing his strength even as a non-force user and therefor semi-justifying his attempt to become the "Mauldalore".

And of course, only a fraction of the followers actually accept the existence of a "Mauldalore" at all, as should be the case.

Next week's episode will definitely be interesting.

So quick question. Is this the end of the Maul arc of the season? I ask because I'm going to catch up with the season over the next two weeks or so, and am wondering if I should wait for the conclusion of that arc.

Next week's episodde is the end of the Maul arc.

Plus, like he said to Vizsla earlier, it is important to "put on a good show".

Maul may have underestimated Vizsla more than anything else. Those circular blades that carved lines in Maul's cheek clearly were not a part of the Sith Lord's plan.

And Mandalorians have been known to kill Force users before. My personal thought is that Maul didn't really take it easy, or choose to not use the force. More he just didn't have the proper oppurtunity because of Vizsla's speed and skill.

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Hallelujah.

Having not seen the episode, this is what I guess as well. The Force is powerful, and similar to magic in a lot of ways, but it's not like most Force users can just shoot a fireball and burn their opponent to a crisp. It requires intense concentration, and if an opponent is quick enough, it's largely countered. And of course while the average Force user could mop the floor with the average non-Force user, the extremely skilled individuals from the latter group can compete with the former.

Of course, the Force is pretty damn inconsistent throughout SW. Sometimes it's unstoppable, sometimes not so much. For my part, I much prefer it when the Force is portrayed as something that's not completely unstoppable.

Your glad we're stuck with maul, randy and co?

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Randy doesn't have long for this world anyway. [/url]

Mandalore being neutral and isolationist for hundreds of years, particularly the pacifist faction, would easily explain why they all look so alike.

There's also a line in Shadow Games that implies that humans mass-immigrated to Mandalore sometime in the past, which would suggest that at some point a large population of settlers would have ruled most of the planet. That actually jives okay with the previously established nomadism that enables the more crazy guys we see later who seem to look down on the idea of having deep roots but are nonetheless attached to the planet; they're from a hybrid culture that resembles the Swiss (mercenaries in the wars of others) and Prussia (highly industrial and logistical powerhouse.)

And I keep hoping someone rights a book establishing how these patently different factions we're seeing interacted and feuded with one another. The Mando'ade featured in Traviss's work seem like the exact definition of chaotic neutral nomads, Pre's Death Watch is regimented and disciplined beyond the normal and has an honor code that seems to be a mockery of the usual one, Fenn becomes a pro-bono hero with friends in the Alliance who liberates his enslaved people, and we've got Black Sun, the Zann Consortium, and the Empire all exploiting the planet and clans during the Galactic Civil War. Add in the different languages being spoken in TCW and in th ebooks, and I could see a definite class structure with warrior elite in the system selling out their countrymen to crime lords and imperial agents at the top, nomadic mercenaried doing their thing across the galaxy, and the oppressed masses with Fenn "Mandalore the Liberator" Shysa as their hero.

That would be infinietly more fun then the previous Mando'ade and TCW nationalists.

Actually, I think the situation on Mandalore will continue for the next two weeks. I'll play safe and mention no spoilers, but if you saw the preview clips for this season, you should know what's coming up.

And so the Mandalorians continue their proud tradition of being Sith puppets.

This show has really been portraying pacifism oddly, but that's no surprise after five seasons. Its not an easy philosophy to portray or follow, but here the main proponents are idiots or useless or both. Ugh, while its a canon reference, any references to the CORRUPTION on Mandalore plot brings back bad memories, not to mention Satine just helpfully telling them who her last surviving political rival was.

It was a cool fight, and Vizsla didn't die screaming no in a pathetic manner. Not sure if Maul refrained from using the Force overtly or it was a challenge for him. The Sith get to do cool stuff like shatter their cell's door with sheer power, whereas a Jedi is usually helpless without their lightsaber. Not to mention they get to march up to the throne room with the only warning coming from the door guard but that's no surprise.

There episodes have been an improvement, but that's not saying much considering the previous arc.

I could be wrong, but I thought that the book, Shadow Conspiracy, confirmed it was a four episode arc. The season premiere, Revival, then last week's Eminence, yesterday's Shades of Reason, and next week's The Lawless is the finale of this season's Maul arc.

^ Yep.

More like I am not a fan of Jon Favreau.

Don't know how they plan to wrap this up in a single 20 minute episode. We need to see Obi-Wan get involved, some sort of resolution to Death Watch, and Sids do his thing. This could be either a genuinely entertaining episode, or an absolute disaster. 20 minutes doesn't seem long enough. Suddenly I dislike Revival even more now, wasted a lot of time that would have been better spent on concluding the story, considering that in that episode, everyone (except poor Adi) ends up exactly where they were before.

I believe it comes down to Maul wanting to take over Death Watch legitimatically, and therefore following the traditions of the people so that they won't see him as a usurper, but a rightful leader. In Tales of the Jedi, Ulic Qel-Droma fought Mandalore on Mandalore's terms, and won his loyalty by defeating him. Similarily, not all Mandalorians were happy about an outsider taking over the clans during the Sith War.

Since Mandalorians admire physical prowess and tactics, they (probably) see the use of the force as a power the weak can fall back on when they aren't fit enough to fight with their body and mind alone. And being Mandalore means being physically superiour. If Maul had usen the force extensively like he would against a Jedi, I doubt many of the Death Watch would have accepted him as their leader. Bo-Katan would probably have been nominated as Mandalore instead. What good is a Mandalore if he doesn't respect his people's traditions?

Maul as Mandalore.

Well, he never calls himself Mandalore, and he is pretty intent on being a behind the scenes leader with Almec as Prime Minister, but otherwise, yes, I agree. While I don't think the force makes one invincible, I think Maul was focusing on his considerable physical abilities to win the genuine respect of the watching warriors, alongside an appeal to the tradition they are so obsessed with.

Just force choking Visla to death would have just made Maul look like the super powered bully he is. Besting Visla in a swordfight, however, allowed him to show off his skill as a warrior.

Definitely got a very Ulic vibe from the whole thing - especially when Almec first suggested the whole plan and was pointing out its historical precedent, though I wished he had named Ulic directly.

Actually, that was Savage.

The only time Maul actively used the Force was to call Viszla's darksaber to hand. After the fight was already over.

You know what just hit me?

What Maul did was basically a smaller scale version of what Palpatine did to the Republic in the Clone Wars.

Is Anakin a Padawan in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous? That's Clone Wars discussion, right?

Nope- he's promoted immediately after Jedi Trial- and Dark Rendezvous is some time after that.

In the new timeline, those novels may take place earlier, but they still take place in the same order.