Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.
Only the dead can know peace from such hack writing
Yeah, like -- I'm pretty charitable when it comes to these things. I rarely accuse writers of deliberately messing with us (except, say, Lucas's ROTJ edits) but Filoni seemed rather pleased with himself at the idea that a lot of fans would take it poorly.
Also, re: the Imperial March -- yeah, on reflection it's used a lot in TCW but the way it was used with the Palpatine episode was great because it was blended with the Emperor's theme and so it sounded more foreboding than usual.
Is it possible it's not directed at us, but the shippers?
In that case, it's as pointless as if they actually use Barriss Offee as the culprit here. Is it really that hard to invent a new character? Could you really not have created another Jedi out of the thousands that are running around during this era?
Don't worry, they'll just get replaced by Ahsoka/Ventress shippers. Or Ahsoka/Ventress/Offee.
I'm torn on this. A new character would work better with continuity, but it would lack the emotional impact. For example, we didn't really care that Krell betrayed the Republic. We barely knew him. He was just some dude with issues. We cared about the clones, maybe, but not Krell.
In contrast, this current situation feels like a betrayal. Not just of Ahsoka in-universe, but of the audience as well. I wonder whether that's intentional. If it is, I give them extra credit.
Still don't like it, though.
Yeah, I could see that. But it seems like they're playing a game.
That's the thing though... just going on this show, I care more about Krell than Barriss. The last she appeared was Season 2, and she wasn't exactly given the most in-depth character exploration. The only people who really care about Barriss are the people who read the EU, and they're the only ones who are going to be ****ed off.
So to do it for shock value is the least thought out move I've seen in this show. The people who've just watched the show are just going to think of her as villain-of-the-arc, never to be seen again. I'm sure they'll push the sad music at you, though.
LACWAC is way ahead of you.
I'm going to go ahead and say that I've seen fanfic of this all the way back in 2009. Never underestimate the shippers.
Given Ahsoka and Barriss' history in the show, I can totally see why they'd use her when looking at TCW as a self-contained story. It sucks that it seems to be working out this way, but I think it's idiotic to believe that Filoni is doing it just to mess with continuity. If anything, he's just accepted that people are going to read malicious intent into everything and he's just stopped giving a crap.
The only thing I'm having trouble with is her motivation--random, Krell-style evil? She'd just claim responsibility and take off. Moral objection to the war? Then why frame Ahsoka personally?
My assumption from the beginning is that this is Palpatine ruining Anakin and Ahsoka's relationship to get her out of his way--to the point that I figured the hidden choker was Maul--but...I just don't see how Barriss could fit into that. Also, remember that Ahsoka didn't detect another Fore-user at the prison. Even going solely by G-Canon, Sith can do that; but can padawans?
Edit: also, given that I named my cat Barriss, this whole conversation is striking a very odd tone for me.
Yes, but have they gotten to Ahsoka/Ventress/Offee/Chuchi/Padme/Snootles/Burtoni yet, hmmmm? Ridiculous slash love triangles are soooo last decade. Septagons are where it's at now.
Maybe Barriss is Dooku's new apprentice.
That's the problem, they see TCW as a self-contained story, not a part of a much larger story, which is a hallmark of Star Wars.
Honestly, Filoni did mention that there will be heated discussions in the summer months. Possibly Barriss' TCW downfall is apart of that.
I think he enjoys messing with people.
C'mon--does she look evil to you guys??
I believe I may have just figured why TCW does what it does. LFL sees it as a self-contained story of what happens between AotC and RotS, hence the radical restructuring of the Clone Wars timeline and general disregard for what happened during the Clone Wars multimedia project and even RotS.
We kind of knew that already.
Probably part of it, yeah. But at this point I can actually see them shaking up the status quo. The season could end on a cliff-hanger with Ahsoka out of the Jedi order.
Actually, that reminds me. We know several episodes were cut from the season to make room for the Young Jedi stuff, including the Rush Clovis arc. Does anyone remember if Ahsoka was in the Clovis arc?
What you did there.
I see it.
It's got "letter-writing campaign" written all over it, doesn't it?
Side note: I also approve of the Justified GIF.
Ahsoka wasn't seen in any of the Clovis arc previews, and was never mentioned to be in them. Regardless, Clovis will likely take place before this in continuity, because it'll probably explain why Cato Neimoidia is engulfed in battle.
When I said it seemed intentional, I didn't mean in terms of an intentional attack on continuity. I meant it along the lines RF just suggested: to mess with people. It's shocking and unexpected, after all.
Although I am not sure I'd take it as far as a betrayal because it just feels ham-fisted to me, but again, that's because I know the character via the EU (as opposed to the strictly TV audience).
This is neither here nor there, but I'd be totally behind Timothy Olyphant playing a smuggler-rogue character in the new movies.
I'm behind Timothy Olyphant doing anything, especially if I can squint and pretend it's more Deadwood.
I dunno; I could see them talking about it in terms of younger audiences saddened to see a character they like turn evil, but my read of the video is he's absolutely talking about us. "That's how things go in The Clone Wars" is a reference to altered continuity, not characters turning evil.