Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.

  1. Sable_Hart Jedi Master

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    Went back and re-watched "The Lawless" (FYI, the Palps-Maul-Savage fight never gets old) and caught something that eluded me prior:

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    ^ Subtle Abeloth reference, anyone? [face_thinking]
  2. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    So according to the Europeans who've already seen the next episode...

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    Barriss goes to prison.


    Like seriously at this point --
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  3. Esg Jedi Knight

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    [IMG]
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  4. Skaddix Jedi Grand Master

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    lol that is hilarious
  5. Ulicus Lit'ari [Literature Manager]

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    Yeah, well, y'know... that's just like... European, man.
  6. Gorefiend Force Ghost

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    o_O
  7. Ulicus Lit'ari [Literature Manager]

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    Quiet, you. That was inspired, and I'll not hear otherwise! [face_not_talking]
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  8. Gorefiend Force Ghost

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    Man Tim Curry seemed to have been bored reading his lines….

    As on Bariss she tells the Court that she did it because the Jedi had turned to serving the Dark Side by fighting in the war, Palpatine has her taken away.

    Snips decides not to rejoin the Order (after the Council kicks her out so she can stand trial) because she feels she can’t trust the Council anymore....

    So yeah

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  9. Zorrixor Force Ghost

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    I suppose Barriss being arrested could be intended as a "This is why arresting a Sith Lord won't won't" explanation for ROTS.

    Not that I still don't like her character arc, but I guess I can sort of see what they're probably trying to do.
  10. JackG Jedi Grand Master

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    Pretty lacklustre episode if you ask me. One plus though: less Ahsoka in the future. Huzzah!
    As I mentioned in LACWAC, like the Adi Gallia retcon, the use of Barriss was completely unnecessary. Not only was there little emotion payoff forher betrayal, but there was almost no interaction between Ahsoka and Barriss. If, say, Eeth Koth was the one Ahsoka called in the last episode and he attacked her in the warehouse and set her up etc, she still would've had ample reason to leave the Order. I don't understand why it had to be Barriss, tbh.
    Also: no explanation given as to how Barriss somehow killed Letta from kilometres away.
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  11. Ulicus Lit'ari [Literature Manager]

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    I hope she ends up in the Ghost Prison, at least.
  12. Cronal Jedi Knight

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    Not seen the episode but basing seeing the above makes it look like the whole Barriss thing that people suspected is true. So, in my opinion, that just stinks of a pointless continuity change. I could have maybe understood it if Bariss had repeated moments with Ahsoka to build up their friendship more so but honestly the last time I saw the two of them was during the Geonosian worm incident and that just seems ages ago to the point that any 'betrayal' has almost no emotional impact on me. There was no plan involved or deep storyline to suggest a betrayal or create a sense of betrayal - it feels quite random. If anything, the only thing I feel is disappointment at the waste of a good character. Sadly, it makes it seem like TCW just went 'lets do a pointless betrayal twist! Spin the wheel and whoever it lands on will be our bad Jedi!... no, not Yoda...' :p

    I will credit this arc though with one thing is that it foreshadows the rise of the Empire quite nicely. Its just the rest feels like it fell apart.
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  13. HedecGa Jedi Master

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    Just saw the episode. First impression--Kevin Kiner killed it on the music today. That was, perhaps, the best scoring to date.
  14. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    Dissatisfying that we don't get a good explanation for a lot of things, but aside from Barriss being the true villain and the huge continuity headache that entails, I thought this was a good arc as a whole. Had Barriss been substituted for some other character, it would have been a shoe-in for my favorite arc of the season. As it stands, this and the Maul arc are mostly tied.

    I'm also glad that they shook up the status quo. Though I can't help but think that the ending is a writers' ploy to get Ahsoka out of the way of Order 66. :p

    EDIT: Agree on the music. Some of the best TCW's ever had.

    EDIT EDIT: Also relieved that Ventress made it out alive.
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  15. Zeta1127 Jedi Master

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    That's it, LFL has officially broken my interest in the Clone Wars with this latest debacle. I will read the multimedia project when I get the chance, and undoubtedly accept it as the story of the Clone Wars, but the Clone Wars as LFL is trying to sell it will henceforth be an AU that doesn't exist to me. Seriously, why should I even care about the EU? LFL clearly believes that on screen is the only Star Wars and insists that we shouldn't look to the EU for answers, so how about having the decency to make it official instead of butchering the EU? How am I supposed to believe that Star Wars is one story with TCW's insanity?
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  16. Stymi Jedi Grand Master

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    That was a really excellent finale. Great stuff. Better than some of the films in many regards. I have been a Star Wars fan a long time (old enough to have seen TSB in the theaters), and I have read almost all the books and comics (still working through the short stories). I get the continuity issues. And I simply don't care.

    For those of you who did not like that episode, I am not really sure those people really even LIKE Star Wars. And that's fine. I don't really care what anyone likes or does not like.

    But that was a damn good show.
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  17. my kind of scum Jedi Grand Master

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    The thing is, though, the episode could have been just as good *without* the continuity issues. That's what frustrates me to no end.
  18. whiskers Jedi Master

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    Same can be said with pretty much any continuity issue in the series.
  19. JediAlly Jedi Master

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    I agree that the music score helped convey a sense of profoundness in the episode. We have some unresolved questions, like how Barriss could have killed Letta from such a great distance, as well as a more rational understanding of her motives. But we know that she's right. Makes us wonder if Obi-Wan and Yoda came to realize this at the end of ROTS.

    Asajj called it. The Jedi did betray Ahsoka by not believing in her and choosing to play expedite politics instead. The whole thing created a lose-lose scenario for everyone involved.

    I'm surprised Ahsoka didn't explain to the Masters why she chose to leave. She didn't fail the order. The order failed her.

    For a moment, I thought the Master's speech would indicate that they believed she was ready to become a Jedi Knight.

    The fact that she knew that Anakin wanted at times to leave the Order leaves us wondering how much does she know or suspect about Anakin and Padme.
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  20. Malachi108 Jedi Knight

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    Exactly. Continuity issues aside, this episode was actually awesome. And yet they just HAD to use Bariss, even with Sora Bulq still walking around.
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  21. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    Though using him would have created *another* issue, since he's already a confirmed enemy of the Republic at this point in the Clone Wars. :p But the similarity between those early Jedi dissidents and Barriss was not lost on me.

    I still maintain they should have used Depa...
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  22. fett 4 Jedi Grand Master

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    The Council truly are the biggest bunch of p@@@@s in the galaxy. I can totally understand why Anakin is loosing it with them, I would be too.
    I did love Ahsoka's look when they tried to retroactively spin it as her Jedi Trial though :D
    Also Padme does say the bleeding oobvious, while Anakin's away lets discuss your case, Actually Padme no I think I'd like to play some games instead :oops:
  23. Sable_Hart Jedi Master

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    Continuity discrepancies annoy me as well, but I'm sympathetic to the argument that this is George's playground and he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. It's more or less an issue of the right hand not knowing (nor caring, I suppose) what the left is doing and this franchise is rife with tragic continuity errors.

    But the most egregious crime continuity wise is when the EU defies the films. Like 'em or not, they're at the top of the food chain; everything else should submit accordingly.
  24. Game3525 Jedi Master

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    I disagree.

    Barriss being the culprit makes more sense for Ahsoka's development giving that it was established that she was her friend. It wouldn't be as powerful if it was just some random joe.
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  25. Ulicus Lit'ari [Literature Manager]

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    ... we're going to get a "Dark Times: From the Adventures of Ahsoka Tano" series, aren't we? [face_tired]