Lit A/V Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

If they had Liam Neeson star in a movie as a ghost alongside a Yoda muppet, I'd watch it.

 

Only if it's CGI Yoda and puppet Liam Neeson.

 

That goes without saying, certainly.

 

Not sure if madness...or brilliance...

 

"I don't have puppet cancer!"

 

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Needless to say, both my link and this post contain 'major' spoilers.

Since no one stopped me in the TV forum, might as well post this here. This is a TL of the entire 4 parter's script. Not sure if the same guy will do more next week, but this helps a lot. This confirmed a number of my assumptions.

Spoiler

1. Sifo-Dyas is indeed stated to be part of the order to implement a chip inside the clone's head to inhibit their aggression. He was the only jedi who knew of its existence before he was killed. Any mention of Sifo-Dyas and what he knows is only brought up when Shaak Tii is 'not' around, so the Jedi do not learn anything specific beyond the existence of the inhibitor chip. He may have been aware of the contingency orders and perhaps even suggested them after mutual discussion with Dooku (having no idea they'd ever actually be used by the sith. Speculation, but hard to say. He knew of the chip at the very least)
2. Lama Su does indeed seem to see Order 66 as a contingency order that should only be used "just in case", rather than as an intentional sith plot he's actively participating in. He also still sees Tyrannus as a Jedi and brushes off the order as nothing but a bunch of oddball mystics. He is determined to keep the chip's role in order 66 secret to prevent a backlash and retain the order's potential effectiveness, but that's as deep as his agenda goes.
3. Nala Se's one of Kamino's chief genetic engineers, and one of the highest ranking designers of the clone army, and likewise seems determined to keep the chip's purpose secret. However, he closeness to the Sith remains vague. She refers to Tyrannus as Lord, but never drops any overt hints that she actually want to wipe out the Jedi, merely that she's following her paying client's instructions. It's not clear if she has any connections to Palpatine.
4. The whole incident is swept completely under the rug, and Fives is clearly implicated as insane. The chancellor successfully convinces the Jedi (through what may not be entirely false), that Tup's chip deteriorated due to a parasite on the ring planet and this led to his mental deterioration. Because the Jedi do not yet have enough evidence to suspect 'him' yet, they eat the story hook line and sinker. Mostly. He even gets in a line that suggests that a conspiracy that begun years before the war began is too absurd to be true, and the Jedi more or less accept this. Foolish of them, but not entirely unbelievable.
5. Rex seems to believe Fives, implying that he might've eventually found a way to evade Order 66. Who knows?

There may be some mistranslations here or there, but I'm betting this is all pretty close to the real thing. It looks like, in the end, Order 66 has indeed now been successfully retconned as a mix between brainwashing 'and' a written contingency. Overall? Not as bad as we feared.

 

I absolutely cannot believe this didn't make it on maintstream television. Both this and the Yoda arc sound as though they're integral to understanding the films.

 

The whole Sifo-Dyas thing sorta of goes against Darth Plagueis and Labyrinth of Evil; why would he order the Kaminoans to install an inhibitor chip? The arc almost implies he wasn't manipulated by the Sith, rather that he was in league with them.

I much prefer that SD was conned, the Kaminoans are ignorant of the Sith designs on the clones, and the clones are just obedient, not brainwashed.

 

Unfortunately that's not the canon version since everything in TCW is with the movies. I gave up trying to like one version of the other. Now I just go with the flow.

 

anakinfan-don't do that. Like you I'm going to wait for netflicks and at the end who cares. I read LOE and I enjoy still, I see the micro series and I still enjoy it, I'll see this and also enjoy and to me its all a happy world. I'm not going to worry about dividing stuff and separating what's canon or not. Life is to real and to fast to worry about a fictional universe that I do not make money out of, do not own and have no control over what's released or not.

 

Bariss_Coffee- You should have known all along that stuff that should be into something rarely gets put in. Remember the jedi starfighters of Episode 2? They were hardly in there, remember the space battle in the novel of AOTC? Never made it into the movie, in fact everyone here is to believe that a planet that was full of Trade Federations ships would unoppose the landings of Republic Acclimators destroyers ships into a separatist controlled planet. That they waltz in and landed on Geonosis without being confronted. It baloney. And don't tell me that the video game Clone Wars (2002) had a scene at the beginning because not everybody plays video games and not everybody looks at other areas as part of the movie story. Remember the Ki-Adi Mundi droid control ship attack? That should have been in the movie because if you looked at the clone war battle at the end the cuts and edits was horrible. The flow of the battle was choppy and well what about the complete Obi-Anakin and Dooku fight? Nothing, we got the cheap lets get Ben aside cut and the Anakin can't hold two lightsaber fight that trys to fight with one lightsaber and gets chopped at the arm at the end. Everything was about the fight between Yoda and Dooku which I thought was lackluster. The novel played that out better. Yeah Yeah Yeah, let the novel haters and defenders of the movie attack me for saying that but who cares. Remember at the end of ROTS? No Yoda touching down on Dagobua planet. That should have bee there, I mean we had Leai delivered to Bail, Luke to Lars, Vadef and Tarkin with the Emperor and Padme in her fallen ceremony. But no Yoda. There was also Rcik McCullum's interview where he said that we would find out about the force ghost stuff. Yeah we did, in a novel, but not in the movie. Even though that may be official, that was when GL was around, now ...on March 7 in TCW we are going to get the Qui-Gon goner stuff that we should have had in the movie that was in the novel that will now be ignored in favor of the series. I think I covered most of it.

 

With the Disney sale, we were almost allowed to keep all that.

Almost.

 

New topic: giving birth to a baby Togruta must be unpleasant.

 

...God, I didn't need to think about that.

 

That's a strong neck, but cartoon kids have that kind of proportions.



I can only presume that for most of the pregnancy they are just heads and develop the rest of the body later than real people. That's how their heads can be small enough to give birth to with those proportions.

Edit: And apparently I needed to think about that.

 

You just had to say that didn't you CooperTFN?

 

I remember the good old days, back when you could understand Star Wars films by just watching them.

 

wait what

 

I swear every time I watch the PT with someone, they want to know who Sifo-Dyas or Plagueis was, or they complain about missing details like Yoda claiming he can suddenly speak with Qui-Gon. I saw AOTC about 6 months back with my mom and she's convinced Sifo-Dyas was just the name of a dead Jedi Palpatine used to order the clones, like stealing someone's credit card. "Hello, my name is Sidi-- er, Sifo-Dyas, and I'd like to order 3 million of your finest clones. Here's my bank account. Make sure it's 3 million."

Things like the Qui-Gon/Yoda part -- that's just inexcusable. I mean they could hire Neeson to VA a show on the Cartoon Network, but not ROTS? Good grief.

 

Well, "Sifo-Dyas" is a holdover from when it was supposed to be Palpatine with a false identity--he changed the concept, but left the confusing name.

 

Yep. "Jedi Master Sido-Dias". Which, while closing that particular plot loop, would make the Jedi, especially Obi-Wan, look like even bigger idiots than they already are, especially since he hears from Dooku's own mouth that a Sith Lord Darth Sidious is behind events..

 

Assuming that this earlier draft was identical to the shooting script except that one name.

 

I am also really surprised they made him the guy that actually ordered the clone army, given that I remember Obi-Wan saying that he died before the Clone Army was ordered.