Lit Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by sabarte, May 12, 2008.

  1. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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  2. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    The fortune cookie for "Sacrifice" does remind me of something. Two things, actually.

    "Facing all that you fear will free you from yourself."
  3. sidv88 Force Ghost

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    I see. I'll just pretend that Obi-Wan was filling in for either http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Jedi_Master_(Humanoid) or http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Jedi_Master_(Gran) when they were missing during the microseries, and was finally given a permanent appointment when it was confirmed these guys weren't ever coming back. :p
  4. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    Random thought, and forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I was wondering if these guys:
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    might be related to these guys:
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  5. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    makingstarwars.net has compiled some recent tweets by Brent Friedman, a TCW writer, about the episodes that were written but never produced. Nothing earth shattering, but one thing caught my eye:

    Injuries, eh? Were they planning on pulling an Alpha with Rex? [face_thinking]
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  6. Cynical_Ben Force Ghost

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    Or a Darman/Niner.
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  7. Revanfan1 Force Ghost

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    Originally planned to desert but injuries prevented it?
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  9. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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  10. _Catherine_ Force Ghost

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    Okay it was Twilight I was thinking of, they recolored Mace's lightsaber purple in the Omnibus.
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  12. Alixen Force Ghost

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    Am i the only one who finds it more comfortable placing Clone Wars: Season 6 in the new continuity, but not Legacy?

    Control chips in the clones, no such things as Sith Spirits, very few taught how to become force ghosts, Morriband rather than Korriban. And all within 12 episodes.

    Personally, it just feels like it will likely fit better in the new continuity. I get that it was already in the cards before the Disney sale, but it doesn't chnage that things feel a lot smoother with TCW ending with Ahsoka leaving in the Legends setting. Just my two cents.
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  13. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Except that they are right there on screen and can clearly interact with their surrounding. :p Yoda is just dogmatic in that case, as much as Mace a few episodes earlier, where he claims the Nightwitches power are not real, after which she pulls a burning sword from thin air that can block his lightsaber!
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  14. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    Yoda's thinking they are illusions created for him by the Priestesses, to test him, I'm told.
  15. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    See and that is why I just kept insisting that last arc only makes sense if Yoda is in fact just tripping after eating some shrooms on Dagobah. :p
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  16. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    The priestesses told him they were illusions.
  17. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Which themselves where clearly also only illusions ;)

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  18. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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    They never said anything either way.

    The episode guide (before the reboot) said "With the guidance of five mysterious Force Priestesses, Yoda was subjected to spiritual trials, facing down illusions of ancient Sith warriors conjured by the Priestesses as well as by the power of the dark side". Emphasis mine. The ghosts have the same black smoke-trails as the Dark Side cave on Dagobah.
    I wonder what that actually implies about the Dark Side's regenerative powers, since the ghosts, minus Bane, are from long before Yoda's time (the Warriors), or are abstracts (the snakes). Plus they have sentience, since they said they'd alert the living Sith Lords and did so.

    Curiously, Darth Bane didn't seem to know what was going on outside, since he just questioned Yoda like he just woke up. Which is also true to the lore, where undead Sith are largely oblivious as to what goes on outside their own tombs.

    Then there's the reference to the Netherworld of the Force in ROTS, given by Yoda. Are Sith and other darksider ghosts just plucked out from the subconscious while lightsider ghosts remain in the universe proper? Some stories show living Force-users conjuring darksider ghosts. Maybe the Priestesses did the same thing to bring out the ghosts in the first place. I can't believe Filoni would be oblivious to the Korriban lore. Its only notable features are ghosts and their tombs.
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  19. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view...

    I've given up worrying about the distinction between spirits and illusions. What makes a spirit real? What makes it an illusion? What defines the difference? It's a can of philosophical worms that could be answered a multitude of ways depending on someone's point of view. Yoda, in particular, has a mind rooted firmly in Jedi doctrine, for whom a spirit isn't alive anymore, it cannot return from death, so... is it real? Is it an illusion? Is there even a difference?

    Maybe there is yet life left in Darth Bane, or maybe it's just the shadow of a dead man, an illusion of the living that can never return... who knows. I enjoy the ambiguity of it.
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  20. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    Same goes for Dathomir "magic".
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  21. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    Dathomir magic... yeah... Mace probably thinks dinosaur bones are made of plastic and not real. :p

    I confess, I do kinda like the idea Dathomir magic all stems from Talzin and is some kind of unnatural siphon or something, and so "illusory" not in the sense of being powerless, but in not being from inside the body, not from midichlorians, not "real power" in that respect, but false, unnatural, an illusion of power when it is only stolen from others, blah, blah, but... I also like the idea that the Jedi just sometimes don't know everything, so... I can't decide which option I prefer.
  22. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    As mentioned, burning sword from thin air that can block a lightsaber! ;)
  23. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    The fact that the sword was invisible up to a certain point in time when it was supposedly "created out of thin air" does not mean it was in fact created out of thin air. That's the most common magician's trick, making things appear "out of thin air".

    I'm not saying that there's nothing to Talzin's use of the Force, just that it is overwhelmingly based on theatrics and misdirection to make her appear far more powerful than she is. That's the whole purpose of chanting before casting one's spells, to draw attention from your sleight-of-hand.

    Edit: I watched The Prestige again last night (and was reminded that it has of the wonkiest film premises ever), and I'd say I see Talzin's magic as The Real Trasported Man act was presented in that film: there's an extraordinary, apparently supernatural truth at its core, but it is dressed up with illusionary tactics.
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  24. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    I just treat the chanting as Talzin's way of focusing her mind.

    In the Book of Sith, it talked about Sith incantations too, and Sorzus Syn waxed lyrically about how you would draw on the power of all those sorcerers before you, invoking their power, etc, etc, and from a certain point of view, sure, that's true: you're thinking about what someone else has managed, picturing what you want to achieve while chanting, convincing yourself that it's possible and that you can do it. I treat Talzin and the Nightsisters the same way; it's just their own way of mental conditioning.

    Which, yeah, actually means they're not as in control of the Force as a Jedi who doesn't need to do all that, and means that they're going to get afraid if you burn their book of spells, and suddenly lose all their confidence and no longer believe they have the power to do it, but... I like the effect. It's like a wizard's magic wand. My D&D knowledge is flaky, but I vaguely recall something about, I think Elminster, being able to cast spells without a magic wand, and that being treated as a sign he was superior to ordinary wizards... or am I thinking of Dumbledore... I forget, I know I've seen that trope used to elevate really important characters above every other Tom, Dick and Harry somewhere.

    Which is why I enjoy that, unlike Talzin, Palpatine doesn't need to put on his robe and wizard hat to cast Force Lightning: he's got enough confidence in his power without relying on the self-theatrics.
  25. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    Dumbledore. Wizards in Harry Potter need wands, or something - my SO is a Potter fan and works at Potter doing the wand demonstrations, and that came up recently.

    D&D, wands are just devices that allow to cast one particular spell over and over until it runs out of charges.