Lit A/V Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Strip mine it of characters, places, and other things and toss away the rest - that's the only worth to include in Legends Clone Wars.

 

To clarify, the Jedi believing Ventress wouldn't recognize Vos in the novel is a key part of the plot. That would be hard to believe considering that (if you try to fit in Legends) Ventress, along with Skorr, literally chased Vos out of Dooku's inner circle in the Battle of Rendili.



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And Boba fell into the Sarlacc pit 3 times.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, but the EU and wacky retcons like this have always gone hand and hand. Those who want to believe what they believe can and will.

 

Yeah, but those retcons were stupid and why even people who liked it sometimes made fun of the EU. Trying to apply them to something that wasn't meant to be in the same continuity is even goofier than they were.

 

actually the biggest disappointment about the Legends announcement for me was that Boba Fett didn't fall into the pit of carkoon on three separate occasions any longer

 

If there is some feasible way for Dark Disciple to fit into the EU, I'd love to hear the ideas, no matter how crazy they are. I'm just not seeing how it can be done, and it is hard seeing Dark Horse's 3 year Clone Wars run get tossed into the "no way it can fit with canon" bin. I remember how we read each issue in the years before ROTS hit theaters, and how fans discussed with Jan and John on the forums the particulars of each story and how they worked hard to make everything fit (Battle of Honoghr, for instance).

Salvaging Dark Horse's Clone Wars for the new canon is particularly difficult because Quinlan's story is so closely interwoven into the main story thread--there's no easy way it can be cleanly excised from the rest of the comics material from that period. Dropping the 'Star Wars: Obsession' comic miniseries when it was found to conflict with TCW was relatively easy by comparison.

I would personally have preferred, over Dark Disciple, a novel that brought real closure to Darth Maul's activities in the Clone Wars (no, 'Son of Dathomir' didn't count as Maul was still active and in charge of his Mandalorian army at the end of the comic). The Jedi needed to be tricked into thinking Maul was dead, so it's not so jarring that they aren't concerned about him in ROTS (Disney obviously wants him alive for possible future use). Maybe a battle with the Mandalorians that ended with Maul's ship "exploding" and the Jedi assuming that he perished, similar to what happened with Dash Rendar at the end of the 'Shadows of the Empire' game.

Well, the fun now will be waiting and seeing if any post-ROTJ material can be salvaged at all, or if Aftermath and Shattered Empire will completely roll those over. My rule of thumb is:

1. If Han and Leia were never married in Ep. 7, see if everything up to X-Wing: Solo Command can be salvaged, or
2. If Han and Leia are married in Ep. 7 or were married at some point prior, see if everything up to Tatooine Ghost can be salvaged.

Should be fun seeing how it all plays out.

 

I guarantee some people around here will try to make Dark Disciple work with the EU, but trying to make anything TCW work with the EU is insanity to me.

 

I thought Jason Fry & Dan Wallace did quite well, with The Essential Atlas and The Essential Guide to Warfare.

And at the moment, The Official Star Wars Fact File is still mixing TCW material with Multimedia Project material.

 

The ironic thing is that the films themselves, after the prequels arrived, are now built on such bizarre retcons fitting incidents that weren't meant to be in the same continuity originally (and that don't even have a proper onscreen explanation). I must have missed the scene where Anakin told Obi-Wan he wanted his child to have his lightsaber, or how a newborn Leia could have such vivid memories of Padme when Luke, who was also there when his mother died, does not.

 

You are correct. The Dark Disciple book was bad, I agree.

Although, I think we can guess the motivations by Filoni and Co. well enough.

 

I'm not sure about linking Filoni to money made on Dark Disciple. He works at LA on Rebels, not at Lucasbooks. I'm not sure how many people had money to make on Dark Disciple. Golden, obviously. I'm not sure if Shapiro gets paid, not really my business. Disney would stand to profit, but I wouldn't put Filoni in there.

Do not mistake me, for I am only fulfilling my vow of knighthood, to speak the truth. Filoni is a destroyer of all goodly things, and the most hated man of this realm. Forsooth, he is felonious, a villainous and false knight. But I will not bear false witness against him, nor can I hold my tongue when others do.

 

Thanks Filoni

 

Um, the lightsaber thing was kind of retconned in ESB. Seeing as Obi-Wan lied about Vader being Luke's father, you can see how easily he would bend the truth regarding the lightsaber.

 

The truth was simply greater than the words Obi-Wan used to describe it.

(He's a Sith!)

 

No wonder Yoda said the future is always in motion. What future he sees is completely dependent on when people on planet Earth are watching 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

If they are watching it in 1991-2013, Yoda is seeing visions of the Thrawn Crisis, the Emperor Reborn, and Chewie's passing in the Yuuzhan Vong War.

If they are watching it in 2014-present, Yoda is seeing (spoilers for Episode 7)

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the troops of the Resistance and the First Order, a very-much-alive Chewie fighting alongside Finn and Rey, and Kylo Ren terrorizing the galaxy.

So poor Yoda sees both of these futures for the galaxy, and the future that is determined only depends on when an observer on Earth is watching Yoda's movie. Otherwise both futures occur at the same time from Yoda's perspective. Schrodinger's galaxy?

 

What do you mean by that?

 

Treat it the same way the NEU treats Legends. Because the story is just not in the slightest compatible (which makes me glad that Clone Wars ended abruptly, since the show is 'technically' part of the Legends Universe too).

 

I'm game for that. I personally feel it should be aborted from Legends and moved to the Disney canon all the way. Agreed. Yeah, I'd imagine they planned to pave over LOE, and don't how I'd ever recover from that.

 

They already started to do it before the show was canned.

 

Please explain.

 

I think TCW still should be a part of Legends. The show highlights a lot of Anakin's deeds in the Clone Wars that wouldn't have been covered otherwise, lending weight to Kenobi's reminiscences in 'A New Hope'. And the 'Fate of the Jedi' series is closely tied to the Mortis arc.

 

Yoda finds out in TCW that sidious is a person and is not just some thing dooku made up in TCW instead of LOE.

 

guys labyrinth of evil contradicted the microseries

it keeps me up at night

 

Actually, the microseries was based on an old LOE script.