Speculation Clues in Episode 3 for Episode 7?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by droconnel22, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. tsunami1138 Jedi Master

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    Who in the name of Bogden is Quin Gon? I'll let you troll on that for a while.
  2. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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  3. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Though we now know, despite the wording of prior sources which used "cheating death" to refer to essence transfer, that Darth Plagueis' "cheating death" was not essence transfer.
  4. Darth_Kiryan Force Ghost

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    They would most likely walk out of the cinema there and then if that happened.
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  5. JoeyArnold Jedi Knight

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    The Plagueis book says Sideous killed Plagueis (his master). But Sideous did wonder if Plagueis was playing dead or not. I would like Plagueis to stay dead, I think.
  6. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    I'm not saying that's how Plagueis cheated death. All I'm saying is Sidious found a way and I liked it.
  7. JoeyArnold Jedi Knight

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    In the Revenge of the Sith, Sideous tells Anakin that the jedi are evil from a certain point of view. Can we see more of this in future films? Things in life sometimes seem to be either black or white. Sideous hints at grey, or at mysterious clouds that keeps us in the dark from fully understanding who is right and who is wrong. Could we see more of this struggle?
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  8. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    He became a ghost because after death he was taught to do so by Obi-Wan and Yoda.
  9. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    When you die, you become one with the force. You do not need to learn the technique prior to death to be a force ghost, as your essence is still within the force after you pass on. Thus because your essence is there, you can still learn. Anakin learned from Obi-Wan and Yoda AFTER he was dead and was one with the force.

    As for Qui-Gon, he discovered the secret after he had passed on as well. He self taught himself after death and was able to commune with Yoda and teach Yoda the technique.
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  10. JoeyArnold Jedi Knight

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    Did other jedi learn too?
  11. JoeyArnold Jedi Knight

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    If jedi can learn these things after they die, then can the sith learn how to do things too after they die, as well?
  12. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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  13. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    From the ROTS script:

    YODA: The secret of the Ancient Order of the Whills, he studied.

    The problem with the assumption that Qui-Gon learned everything after death is that it raises the question of why all the other dead PT Jedi didn't learn the ability after death.
  14. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    Never said he didn't study the technique before he died, but he didn't completely learn the technique before he died either is all.

    Qui-Gon Jinn was the first character to show Star Wars audiences that not all Jedi became Force ghosts upon dying (by virtue of his body not disappearing at death), but he was established in Attack of the Clones as a voice to Anakin Skywalker, and also in Revenge of the Sith as the first G-canon character to learn how to become a Force ghost, despite his body not disappearing at death. The implication is that one can learn how to be a Force ghost even after dying a standard death.
  15. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    AOTC only showed Yoda hearing Qui-Gon's voice, it didn't establish that Anakin heard it.
  16. EviL_eLF Chosen One

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    Yes, but what was said implies he was calling to Anakin whether Anakin heard it or not.
  17. BigAl6ft6 Chosen One

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    I will say the whole "Sith trying to cheat death" thing is Ep. 3 makes "Dark Empire" play much, much better. Like the clone Emperor kinda makes sense, because he's desperate to find a way around it, so he uses a combination of Sith magic & clone technology. Or maybe the Emperor's spirit does completely perish in "Jedi" and those are just crazy, force-powered clones.
  18. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    That's what Mara thought. Then again, she was a schutta. :p
  19. tsunami1138 Jedi Master

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    Because Qui-Gon was always different, more rebellious within the strict confines of the Council. Therefore it makes sense that he would seek the ability, and the others wouldn't. It's also true that the netherworld transcends time and space - thus it's possible that Qui-Gon could see that it would be important for the future of the Jedi Order that at least himself (to teach it) and Obi-Wan (to help Luke) should learn the ability.
  20. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    What ever the case, it's really no different than what Plagueis accomplished, whether he did or not. Cheating death is cheating death. And besides, that rising blue fire when the Emperor died might have been a clue that he did. And since Lucas intentionally had no other Sith die in that fashion in the Prequels, this might be the case.
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  21. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    This fact should apply to everyone equally.
  22. ThatWanFromStewjon Jedi Grand Master

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    Maybe, he is a force ghost just because he is the Chosen One.
  23. BigAl6ft6 Chosen One

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    Yeah, I thought Anakin Force Ghost-d because he's way Chosen One all like that.
  24. JoeyArnold Jedi Knight

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    unless if Anakin was not actually the chosen one