C'mon Guys, lighten up!

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Protege-of-Thrawn, Oct 25, 2001.

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  1. Protege-of-Thrawn Manager Emeritus

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    just a quick memo to Lit forumers.
    This Forum is easily one of the best, but it is quickly descending into a downward spiral more imposing then the moonstrike of Sernpidal.
    Everyone seems to be joining the frenzy of dissing Del Rey and LFL, for killing Jimmy, for creating the NJO, and for not creating the GFFA's future as THEY see fit.
    This self-induldgence is understandable as a reaction to shock, but it is now becoming a problem.
    You are all faced with two options. Embrace the NJO and embrace all the authors and plot decisions within - they happened, will continue to happen - or stop reading it. but please for the sake of us not yet drowning in cynisism, stop dissing the NJO.

    P.S. special Note for Genghis - dude, we get the whole "Zahn is the anti-christ" bizz, please invent a small word that will let us know your piping up about it again, it would save a lot of time.

    Thank you all.
  2. Jaina02 Jedi Knight

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    I agree! It isn't our universe, it's Lucas'.
  3. Gandalf the Grey Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, the whole Zahn is the AntiChrist schpeel is completely illogical. After all, I'm the AntiChrist.
  4. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Then, I guess I should congratulate you, Gandolf on your choice of head General of the armies of Hell. Zahn has served you well.

    I guess Gandolf's most powerful lie was convincing the world you were someone else. ;)
  5. mutley Jedi Master

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    He can't be the anti-christ--because I am. :)

    The thread was "C'mon Guys, lighten up!" then proceeded to post for a response.

    People can say anything they want in regard to the NJO--like it or hate it "we" do not hold the rights for it, but "we" do pay for it and that gives us a right to an opinion on it's merits, it's value and if it was worth the money or not.

    The minute they give the books away for free-then that becomes a whole new issue. :)

    SbS can not get here quick enough......
  6. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Mutley...
    "The minute they give the books away for free-then that becomes a whole new issue."

    Then do people who borrow the book either from a friend or library still have the right to "not lighten up?" The manner in which one obtains a book has at best only a marginal effect on one's feeling's of the book as well as the right to express those feelings.

    An expensive book will only reinforce negative opinions and a cheap book will only reinforce positive opinions. An opinion that "the only saving grace was at least I didn't spend more on the crappy book" or "I would have paid $1M dollars for the book if I had to" is not all that substantial an arguement in the arena of criticism, and are usually only made in jest.
  7. Kier_Nimmion Jedi Grand Master

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    Zhan is not the anti-christ, he just wrote 5 mediocre Star Wars novels. I have a niece who might be the anti-christine...
  8. NarundiJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually, Jaina02, it isn't Lucas' universe, at least not the eu. He only gives permission to use the characters to the authors. In Lucas' mind there are no Solo Kids, there is no Kyp, there is no Borsk Fey'lya, no Mara Jade Skywalker. Han and Leia never got married. There are only the original characters and they're still there as they were at the end of ROTJ. I just wanted to clarify that this is not a Lucasfilm thing, he doesn't decide what happens.

    Jae Angel
  9. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Narundi...
    "In Lucas' mind..."

    It must have been amazing for you to be in Lucas' mind. [face_plain]

    Seriously, if you have some door into his mind from your cubicle at work, you should charge admission. There's a lot of people around here who would like to "be George Lucas." You can make a lot of money. Apparently, from all of the people claiming to know what's in Lucas' mind, you already have a lot of people who are using it. [face_plain]
  10. NarundiJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Genghis, I'm just stating a fact. Lucas only sells the rights to the characters, the ORIGINAL CHARACTERS. He has no say in what happens in the eu. Maybe I should watch my wording next time.

    Jae Angel
  11. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    What's happening now is called the "between book slump." It will end in a couple weeks when most have read SbS.
  12. Kier_Nimmion Jedi Grand Master

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    I am willing to bet that if Lucas found something in any of the books that he had a completely alergic reaction to, he could have stopped.
  13. Grand Admiral Wettengel Jedi Youngling

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    Lucas approves a one-page outline of what will happen in the books. For example, Zahn wanted C'Baoth to be an insane clone of Obi-Wan--the idea was nixed. Anderson initially was going to have Exar Kun be a Dark Jedi, but Lucas suggested he be a Sith and provided Anderson with information. Lucas signed-off on the death of Chewie.
  14. Mandalore74 Jedi Knight

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    That's true Mastadge. The forum has a bad case of cabin fever. Anticipation for SbS is driving people crazy, and I think a lot of us are on edge. I won't say any names, but I think some of us are about to snap. Tuesday can't come fast enough.
  15. ElaineCunningham Author of New Jedi Order: Dark Journey

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    NarundJedi says:

    "Genghis, I'm just stating a fact. Lucas only sells the rights to the characters, the ORIGINAL CHARACTERS. He has no say in what happens in the eu. Maybe I should watch my wording next time."

    Antually, NarundJedi is NOT stating a fact, but repeating a misconception. LucasFilmLicensing does, in fact, keep a very close eye on the EU. Novels and short stories are reviewed and approved at each step of the way, from concept to outline to first draft to revisions.
  16. Mandalore74 Jedi Knight

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    Cool. Thanks for clearing that up Ms. Cunningham.
  17. NarundiJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Ooooooh, so we have RA Salvatore AND Elaine Cunningham on the boards!! ROCK ON!!!! I was only going by what I heard from other people on the boards. It seemed to make sense to me. I guess if LFL keeps a close eye on the books then there IS a chance we could see an EU movie. That also ROCKS!!!!! :D

    Jae Angel

    PS- Could Chris Cassidy and Tish Pahl show up on the Simple Tricks message board and explain whether Kyp was using Fen when he begged her to kill him? I guess the authors know best, which is why I will immediately retract my previous statement and apologize for that entire "know-it-all" tone. Only the authors know what is going on. Which reminds me. . .Ms. Cunningham, is there any way I could pay you 1,000 bucks to reveal some of the details of Dark Journey? Just kidding!! ;)
  18. Mastadge Manager Emeritus

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    Ooooooh, so we have RA Salvatore AND Elaine Cunningham on the boards

    Troy Denning's been posting here, too. Peter Mayhew shows up once in a while, as do A.C. Crispin, Mike Stackpole, and a few others. Kathy Tyers was here A LOT when BP came out.
  19. -Vergere- Jedi Master

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    Kathy Tyers was here A LOT when BP came out.
    She returned for a bit to The Jacen Solo Fan Club ;)
  20. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    ElaineCunningham...
    "Antually, NarundJedi is NOT stating a fact..."

    Thanks, Elaine! You beat me to a response. :)

    Narundi...
    "I was only going by what I heard from other people on the boards."

    You fell victim to one of the largest problems of fandom, Narundi. Not thinking for yourself based on your own experiences. Why you would say something like "I'm just stating a fact" when you have absolutely no clue about it is beyond me. This is done, unfortunately, a whole lot. People make all sorts of crazy statements about the NJO, Marvel's Star Wars comic books, etc. as fact when they're really not. In fact, about the entire EU and Star Wars and "what Lucas thinks." The first step to lightening things up is not perpetuating incorrect information.
  21. Gandalf_Postmangler Jedi Knight

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    I shall slay those who post incorrect information and add their heads to the pillar of skulls!

  22. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    You really are enjoying Planescape: Torment, Gandolf. :D
  23. Kier_Nimmion Jedi Grand Master

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    Ugh, don't get me started on Planescrape.
  24. Jades Fire Jedi Master

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    George Lucas = Lucasfilm. Maybe George Lucas has taken "Attack of the Clones" to heart and Cloned himself. [face_laugh] [face_laugh]

    George Lucas hires people (Lucasfilm) to watch over his expanding universe of characters. In the past his involvement was limited to approving short outlines for the books or major events such as Chewie's death.

    Is this still the case for the NJO? Does George Lucas still approve every script outline? Does George Lucas have to approve the death of a major character created solely in the EU? I mean, if a writer wanted to kill Corran Horn or one of the Solo children, would they need George's approval, or do they just need his approval if they want to kill a movie character like Chewbacca?
  25. Gandalf the Grey Jedi Grand Master

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    :p


    That, and having fun in the Viking threads in community. Almost done Torment now; I'm in the Fortress of Regrets.
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