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Cold War Idea

Discussion in 'Literature' started by jedimasterkipdurron, Aug 23, 2003.

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  1. jedimasterkipdurron

    jedimasterkipdurron Jedi Master star 4

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    I think a Cold War idea would be pretty good for Star Wars! The GFFA and some other government start building up weapons and going to the edge of war just like the US and USSR! And there could be other many small conflicts popping up and grinding away at the infastructure(sp?)!

    So what do you guys think?
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Actually I think that's what the Empire conflict with the New republic was for most of the time
     
  3. stung4ever

    stung4ever Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Been there, done that's.

    It's known as the Bantam Era. :D
     
  4. jedimasterkipdurron

    jedimasterkipdurron Jedi Master star 4

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    No what I ment was small conflicts with groups in the GFFA!
     
  5. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    those groups being the Empire and NR

    :p
     
  6. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    IIRC, the Empire and NR were officially at war with one another throughout most of the Bantam era, and I don't remember any real diplomacy attempts until HoT. The Bantam era was not like the Cold War at all.
     
  7. Luxor-Three

    Luxor-Three Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Be careful, the Cold War was divided into two philosophies.......capitalism and socialism. You have to careful because it has been my experience in the forums that a captalist opinion is wrong and should not be heard, conservatisom is wrong to. As long as you say that the government should be responsible for adminstering every aspect of the peoples lives, you'll be OK. Just remember who ended the Cold War..........Ronal Reagan! If he were a NJO character, the folks in these forums would dub him to be the Emperor all over agin.....get my point?
     
  8. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Luxor-Three, unfortunately you're right

    Oh no! Reagan went into huge deficit spending! He ended the cold war doing so but who cares! I'd rather have our nation no longer exist then go into debt!
     
  9. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I don't want to steer this thread way off-topic, but Reagan didn't end the Cold War. He definitely had a hand in it, though.

    Please don't hurt me.
     
  10. 6-6-6

    6-6-6 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I still can't even see what part of ending the Cold War Reagan had a hand in. His involvement in the dismantlement of the Soviet state and the Russian civil war just isn't there.

    He did, however, screw up the government to a point where "The United States of America" no longer exists as a free, democratic, first-world nation, but into a slowly degenerating beurocratic monolith which can no longer care for its people and will soon be plagued by poverty and illness on the scale of the poorest of Asian nations.

    Anyway, I too like the idea of a GFFA Cold War, but I don't think that it should take place after the NJO. With the exception of those few years between the formation of the Empire and the Rebellion and the time between the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty and the Vong invasion, the galaxy has been virtually in a state of constant warfare for fifty-one years. Its time for some peace in the GFFA. I would much prefer to see a Cold War take place somewhere in those twenty-thousand years before the Sith wars, and I would hope that whoever writes about that period would be more original than to create another Jedi vs. Sith slaughterfest.
     
  11. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Nope, it was really done by Bantam.

    From 1990-1996 there were a few Imperial attacks, but nothing really major.

    Yes, there was the threat of Thrawn, for a year. Yes there were numerous warlords and the taking of Coruscant, which was an attempt to inject some war action into the story.

    Bantam's story became a Cold War type affair post-DE. From TAB to TLC there is a progression where the Rebs are tackling the Empire directly. Then the Emperor returns and is defeated, at which point the Empire is militarily shattered but ideologically intact.

    The pattern depicted from then on is sporadic Imperial attacks with the rare offensive from the Empire as shown in Darksaber. Then we jump in to HOT, having seen the NR deal with new threats arising from war's legacy and new dark jedi in years past.

    In HOT the ideological battle is shown most strongly, as the NR tears itself apart over individual notions of justice being fought over in the absence of a collectively accepted compromise version. Meanwhile the Empire has been improving its own ideology and allows far more than Palpatine's Empire did, they essentially operate on the basis that surrenduring democracy grants security and stability.

    It was only the EC that threw in a couple of major, long-running Imperial offensives to make the war much hotter. These stories have not yet been told but deserve to be so.

    Still, even if not a wholly Cold War, the civil war does deserve status as a restrained war, in contrast to the present Vong war. Neither side wanted to eradicate the other, each simply wished to secure the validity and right to pursue the lifestyle and values they held. Unfortunately Imperial and Rebels values were mutually exclusive.

    JB
     
  12. JoruusCbaoth

    JoruusCbaoth Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I could actually see a Cold War arise in the post-NJO galaxy. Worlds that the NR was unable to defend (and abandoned) will be gladly snapped up by the Empire, and there will be an ideological power struggle to keep the other side from growing too quickly, rather like how the US and the Soviets never went to hot (read: nuclear) war with each other, but plenty of blood was spilled in other parts of the world, such as Korea, Vietnam, Angola, Israel, Afghanistan, etc.

    I could see some very interesting stories cropping up involving one side backing the natives while the other side fights them actively (Vietnam, Afghanistan), or situations where neither side actually does any fighting, but the ones that do are clearly aligned with one team or the other (Angola, Israel).
     
  13. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    Just as no more extra galactic invaders come in, it's all fine with me (though I won't be too surprised to find the Sith behind some of the "Cold War" factions).
     
  14. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    I have to go with the general concensus on this one. The Galaxtic Civil War pretty much ended with the Alliance/NR taking Coruscant and setting itself up as the new galactic goverment. Everything after that was supposed to be a mopping up action prior to the treaty signed at the end of Vision of the Future. But mopping up actions should not take that long. Both sides pretty much seemed to be building up their arsenals to throw at each other again and again. There were plenty of times when the two fought, but rarely on the scale of the Galactic Civil war at it's height. More often it was more along the lines of skirmishes. Battles certainly of historic importance, but only to go down in history more as footnotes, ocassionally having a historian write a book about them, rather than battles countless historians would write about. I mean, in the real world, using the American Civil War as an example, how many book are their dedicated strictly to battles such as Big Bethel and Roanoke Island as compared to battles such as Gettysburg and First Bull Run? Big Bethel and Roanoke Island were minor battles of the war, important to it, yes, but mere footnotes compared to larger battles Gettysburg and First Bull Run.
     
  15. JoruusCbaoth

    JoruusCbaoth Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "The Galaxtic Civil War pretty much ended with the Alliance/NR taking Coruscant and setting itself up as the new galactic goverment."

    Which time, first or second?
     
  16. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    First time.
     
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