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Senate College: Free Exchange of Ideas or Liberals Cancelling Chicken Sandwiches?

Discussion in 'Community' started by J-Rod, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    At my old college, the dorm I stayed in was a previously Men's Only dorm turned co-ed, with men and women living on different floors, so the women's bathrooms did indeed have urinals. It was also not uncommon to get up in the middle of the night and find a woman in the men's floor's bathroom who had been sleeping over at another dorm room. As a guy, I'd just ignore it (usually too tired and needy for a leak to care in the first place) on my way on my way to the urinal. I thought it was simply the polite thing to do.

    It's not like this "women in the men's bathroom" thing is something that suddenly came up with the bathroom law issues. It's been happening for a long, long time.
     
  2. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I've used the men's room many times, most recently right before a tri; not using the restroom prior to a tri can be a really ****ty mistake (sometimes literally) and the women's room had a line, so a few of us took advantage of the empty men's room.

    The correct answer to using the "wrong" restroom here is "I know I look like I'm not supposed to be here but Pat McCrory says I have to use this restroom." [face_whistling] But yeah...not new.
     
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  3. DAR

    DAR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've shared a port a John every now and again.

    As for the whole gender isn't defined issue. I think my penis and hairy back pretty squarely put me in the male category
     
  4. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Anti-intellectualism and the dumbing down of America

    I don't agree with all of this. I think it is fine for kids/teenagers/etc. to read "dumb" books as long as they are reading, and I think steering students towards "good literature" and disparaging their reading choices can make them non-readers really quickly--and we're talking about very intelligent people who are more math-and-science inclined but have no interest in analyzing poetry for symbolism.

    I agreed with the rest of it though. Not every opinion is valid just because it is a "sincere belief".
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    I just took a look at that article:

    Two WTF bits are:

    The hell?

    Still, it's a good enough reason to deploy this Bill Hicks classic once again:

    The only error articles like this make is that they tend to gravitate towards there being "right" books to read in order to qualify as being "substantial". Which is where they lose me because I probably acquired more cosmology info from Stephen Baxter's SF books than was ever taught in my school Science classes. Those books would more than likely qualify for the "wrong" category.
     
  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Right, that was my issue as well.

    As someone who spends her days just trying to get kids to read, the idea of "right" books and "wrong" books when we're talking about pleasure reading (as opposed to research) makes my hair stand on end.
     
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  7. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    The other bit that stood out to me was the notion of people operating on the basis "I am excellent because I say so and no one can tell me I'm not". A colleague at work is currently dealing with a lazy arse who is a fervant believer in this thus is rendered immune to all rational arguments because they believe they are perfect no matter what anyone says, including their boss.

    Still, I do have a great response to anyone who says: Well, why aren't you more confident? I can go: You know that arrogant guy on floor whatever? So I don't end up becoming him!
     
  8. Darth_Voider

    Darth_Voider Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It has already begun here in Germany. I can't say anything about the other European countries, but the more educated students here are also harassed and blamed as "Nerds". For example, I found out that many of the youths don't know where to find India on the world map. When I said that this is general knowledge, they responded "Who's to say that this is general knowledge? I don't know where India is and I also don't NEED to know where it is".
     
  9. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    [​IMG]

    We are so stuffed.
     
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  10. Talos of Atmora

    Talos of Atmora Force Ghost star 5

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  11. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    The men's toilets at my gym only have urinals so there's a bit of negotiation on competition days for the use of the stalls in the women's toilet.

    In other news, I read somewhere that the pre-competition-poop isn't just about adrenaline, it's also some kind of pre-emptive (lol) defence mechanism. In a hunt or battle where you risk getting gored/stabbed in the belly it reduces the risk of the wound getting infected if the intestines are perforated, so the body tells you to poop right before anything that feels like it might be a 'battle'.
     
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  12. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    My boss keeps Dad's Army-ing us at work with "We're all doomed"...
     
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  13. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The saddest news of all for capitalist-based schooling - ITT Tech is shutting down its doors for good. Where are students supposed to go to pay 5 times more than they would in a real college for a degree that isn't worth the paper it is printed on?
     
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  14. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't have a problem with vocational or ATC schools, overpriced or not. The problem I have are those types of occupations overwhelming university campuses at the expense of the liberal arts and sciences.

    Professionalism and careerism compartmentalized and killed college.
     
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  15. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The problem was that ITT Tech wasn't a vocational school, it was a nothing school - they were unaccredited and most employers looked at anything earned at that school as a joke... because it was a joke. There was little actual teaching going on.

    Near work is an actual vocational school, where certification and limited degrees are earned, plus adult education for those who didn't finish grade school.
     
  16. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    We don't need artists and scientists. We need sociopaths businesspeople and whatever it is you do with a communications major.
     
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  17. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Based on my knowledge, play in the NFL.
     
  18. Asplundhe

    Asplundhe Jedi Master star 2

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    i like how being educated and exposed to knowledge and a variety of ideas, and therefore more of a critical thinker is somehow a subversive leftist tactic to what....make people........smarter? is making people smarter a bad thing? is making people smarter a threat to right-wing ideology? this inference of the premise (thread title,etc.) says so. sorry about the thread title reference...give it a month of elementary school education and you might get it.

    edit: also the right-wing idea that recognition of this phenomenon is left-wing arrogance.
     
  19. Ezio Skywalker

    Ezio Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    I have a co-worker who once got into a lengthy argument with me about this subject. Or more precisely, he was advocating for Trump and for the merits of Fox News. I disagreed with him and he stood by his claims with the defense that I'm college educated (he isn't), so my understanding of the issues is distorted by my education since I'm unable to see what it's like for "working people."

    I believe there's a NPR piece about how the Republicans popularized anti-intellectualism. Given that Fox News is little more than a GOP mouth piece (and this co-worker's exclusive source of information), it's no wonder why people are associating education with elitism. It's a dumb conclusion: "you're educated so you can't understand the plight of regular people!"
     
  20. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Go into politics…so yeah, major in sociopathy.
     
  21. Asplundhe

    Asplundhe Jedi Master star 2

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    if anti-intellectualism continues to be a thing it will embrace willful ignorance and will ultimately be responsible for the destruction of society. you can't invent anything that stupid.
     
  22. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    Without critical thinking and fact-checking, it's too easy for people to be swayed and indoctrinated into religions, political camps, etc. College and even K-12 can help teach that, but more often than not institutions are more focused on "respecting authority."
     
  23. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    hey J-Rod here's a story about a liberal campus indoctrinating a conservative student out of his belief system. you can add it to your proof pile
     
  24. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    It will be a thing so long as any Americans consider it a virtue and not a vice.
     
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  25. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My last ever day of Uni today.

    I suppose my experience has taught me that there has been a free exchange of ideas but in a Fordist mode of thinking. You know, you can have it in any colour you want as long as it's black. There have been very clear parameters established about how we think and apply what we have learned to the outside world. But is that really so different to what is expected of us in the outside world? No idea, i'm about to find out. if everything i've experienced has been the illusion of choice, then I have absolutely no regrets. It's been invaluable as a person who does enjoy learning and research along with the networking opportunities that are bundled with that experience.

    Not a minute of it feels wasted. Thanks, Monash.
     
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