Saga Compilation of direct trilogy mirrors (1-4, 2-5, 3-6) (Note: Image heavy)

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  1. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Since I've gone a little parallel crazy lately I thought it might be useful to have one thread just for chronological trilogy mirroring (seeing as they are the first that jump out at you), namely between The Phantom Menace / A New Hope, Attack of the Clones / Empire Strikes Back, and Revenge of the Sith / Return of the Jedi.

    I'm gonna just do TPM/ANH for today, this thread will be a lot of posts so bear with me. It's going to be a pretty random mix of images and text, I will try to keep it coherent.
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    The films openings make it apparent that the dominant force moves from the good guys to the bad (the Republic becomes the Empire). The Trade Federation, led by the Sith oppress Naboo, where the Empire, also led by the Sith, oppress the galaxy. The rebels in TPM are, however, the Trade Federation.

    The TF cowers as the Republic-associated Jedi try to break into the room:
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    The Empire forces entry into the Tantive 4
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    Advancing through dioxis/smoke:
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    TPM
    Padme (Queen Amidala): "Beware Viceroy, the Federation had gone too far this time."
    ANH
    Vader: "Don't act so surprised your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time."

    Notice with this quote the Republic is doing the intimidating here. And Padme's daughter has become the Rebel in ANH.


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    TPM
    Nute: "My Lord, is that legal?"
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    Imperial: "Holding her is dangerous. If word gets out it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the Senate."

    The badguys at this stage are still concerned with the legality of their actions (in the Republic Senate / Imperial Senate).

    Again...
    TPM
    Nute: "The Queen has great faith that the Senate will side with her."
    ANH
    Leia: "The Senate will not sit still for this..."

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    TPM
    Sio Bibble (hologram): "The death toll is catastrophic. We must bow to their wishes."
    ANH
    Vader: "Send a distress signal and then inform the Senate that all aboard were killed."

    Both times describing pretend deaths.

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    TPM
    Sio Bibble: "We are a democracy, the people have decided!"
    Nute: "Take him away!"
    ANH
    Leia: "I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan..."
    Vader: "You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!"

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    TPM
    Sidious: "I will make it legal."
    ANH
    Vader: "There will be no one to stop us this time!"


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    TPM
    Anakin: "Are you an angel?"
    Padme: "What?"
    Anakin: "An angel. I've heard the deep space pilots talk about them. They're the most beautiful creatures in the universe."
    ANH
    Luke: "Who is she? She's beautiful."

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    Padme and Leia both use R2's schematics to plan the final battles.

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    Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan rescue Padme (the Queen) and her entourage / Luke and Han rescue Leia (princess).


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    Qui-Gon / Obi-Wan:

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    TPM: Anakin recognises a Jedi's weapon
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    ANH: Luke has it explained to him
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    Qui-Gon: "Our meeting was not a coincidence. Nothing happens by accident."
    ANH
    Obi-Wan: "In my experience there is no such thing as luck."

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    Qui-Gon: "Feel, don't think. Trust your instincts."
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    Obi-Wan: "This time I want you to let go your conscious self and act on instinct." ... "Stretch out with your feelings!"
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  2. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    TPM/ANH continued


    TPM
    Qui-Gon: "My only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord."
    Ki-Adi Mundi: "Impossible. The Sith have been extinct for a millenia!"
    Mace: "I do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing."
    Yoda: "Ah, hard to see the darkside is!"
    ANH
    Tarkin (to Vader): "The Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

    The Sith start the PT operating in the shadows, the Jedi do similar at the beginning of the OT.


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    TPM
    Qui-Gon: "Don't worry, the force will guide us."
    Jar-Jar: "Oh, maxi big "da force". Well dat smells stinkowiff!"
    ANH
    Han: "Kid, I've flown from one side of the galaxy to the other, seen a lot of strange stuff. But I've never seen anything to make me believe there is one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. It's all a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense."

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    TPM
    Shmi: "Anakin, this path has been placed before you. The choice is yours alone."
    ANH:
    Leia: "He has to follow his own path, no one can choose it for him."

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    TPM
    Destiny, plus R2 repairing the ship, bring the main characters to Anakin, who has built 3PO.
    ANH
    Destiny brings R2 and 3PO to Luke Skywalker.

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    TPM
    Joining Qui-Gon:
    Anakin: "But it's what I want, what I've always dreamed of doing!"
    ANH
    Joining Obi-Wan:
    Luke: "I want to come with you to Alderaan, there's nothing here for me now. I want to learn the ways of the force and become a Jedi like my father."

    Anakin sells his pod, Luke sells his speeder.

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    Qui-Gon lies to Anakin:
    Anakin: "What are you doing?"
    Qui-Gon: "Checking your blood for infections."

    Obi-Wan lies to Luke:
    Obi-Wan: "He betrayed and murdered your father."

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    Anakin and Qui-Gon's last interaction:
    Anakin: "Hey, wait for me!"
    Qui-Gon: "No Annie, you stay put. Stay right where you are."
    Anakin: "But I..."
    Qui-Gon: "Stay in that cockpit!"

    Luke and Obi-Wan's last interaction:
    Luke: "I want to go with you."
    Obi-Wan: "Stay and watch over the droids."
    Luke: "But he can..."
    Obi-Wan: "They must be delivered safely or more systems will suffer the same fate as Alderaan. Your destiny lies along a different path from mine. The force will be with you, always."

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    (I will continue in a bit)
  3. Alexrd Jedi Grand Master

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    Aren't some of those taken from the Visual Links thread? At least I remember posting some of those comparisons.
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  4. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Yeah, I'm just organising them really. It's mostly repeats, but it'll make more sense when it is done.

    Edit- Sorry for using your post,a lot of it won't be directly my own observations.
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  5. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    TPM / ANH


    TPM - arriving back at Naboo
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    ANH - arriving at Yavin
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    TPM - Anakin joining Naboo battle
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    ANH - Luke joining Yavin battle
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    TPM - The force leads Anakin into the TF droid-controlship and he destroys it:
    "Impossible. Nothing can get through our shield."
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    ANH - Luke of course uses the force to destroy the Deathstar
    "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!":
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    TPM
    Qui-Gon: "Greed can be a powerful ally."
    ANH
    Han: "17000, those guys must really be desperate. This could really save my skin."


    -
    TPM
    Droid: "Blast 'em!"
    ANH
    Stormtrooper: "Blast 'em!"


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    TPM
    C-3PO: "My parts are showing? My goodness!"
    *R2 laughs*
    ANH
    C-3PO: "Help, I'm melting! This is all your fault!"
    *R2 does identical laugh*


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    When Obi-Wan is killed Luke gets angry and shoots down some stormtroopers. He also blasts the controls to shut the door between the Millenium Falcon and Vader. Maul and Vader open doors by destroying panels in the PT.


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    TPM
    Anakin: "How did you end up out here in the Outer Rim?
    ANH
    Luke: "If there's a bright centre to the universe you're on the planet that it's farthest from."


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    TPM
    *Door slammed shut*
    Padme: "Now Viceroy, we will discuss a new treaty!"
    ANH
    Vader: "And now your highness, we will discuss the location of your secret Rebel base."
    *Door slammed shut*

    Role-reversals like this are very common in Star Wars.


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    TPM
    "What if this plan fails? We could be stuck here a very long time."
    Ironic that Obi-Wan will have been exiled on Tatooine for 20 years in ANH.


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    TPM
    Anakin scuffles with Greedo in a TPM deleted scene.
    ANH
    Han kills Greedo.


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    TPM - Running the blockade leaving Naboo (Padme's home)
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    ANH - Leaving Tatooine (Lukes' home)
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    TPM- Fleeing Tatooine
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    ANH - Fleeing Tatooine
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    TPM - Leaving corrupt central (Coruscant)
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    ANH - Leaving corrupt central (Deathstar)
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  6. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    TPM
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    TPM
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    TPM "Tweegee!"
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    ANH "Tweegee!"
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    Hard to show with a screencap but Maul and Luke turn in an identical arc:
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    TPM deleted scene
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  7. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    TPM
    Palpatine: "And you young Skywalker... we will watch your career with great interest!"
    ANH
    Obi-Wan: "Your destiny lies along a different path from mine."


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    The TPM celebration is kind of a cloak, as the victory will be short-lived and Palpatine has begun consolidating power. Hence the reworking of the Emperor theme at an upbeat tempo.
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    Phew. That's it for Ep1 vs Ep4.
  8. Alexrd Jedi Grand Master

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    No need to apologize. Feel free to use them.
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  9. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Thanx. It might seem redundant what I am doing, but I doubt that many people have gone through the whole Visual Link thread anyway. It just seems more meaningful to me when presented condensed :)
  10. Seagoat Music and PT Section Sentinel

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    The tiny details like these are what amount to be the bulk of SW for me. Discovering such things, or the beauty of telling many stories at once, or the subliminal story told BEHIND those stories.... those are the reasons I love SW

    I'll be following this thread with great interest. Bookmarked
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  11. Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Master

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    This was brilliant! Thanks for consolidating all this stuff together.

    I knew about the visuals and thematic similarities, but I didn't notice the dialogue connections. Love it!
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  12. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Thanx for the feedback guys.

    AOTC / ESB


    Ep2 inverts every other film in the series by panning up at the beginning:
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    AOTC ends with a ground based battle in the desert
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    ESB starts with a ground based barttle in the snow
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    An inversion... the good guys do the invading in AOTC
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    By ESB the Republic have become the Empire and invade the home planet of the Rebel base
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    Also notice the Seperatists say their communications have been jammed, something Sio Bibble refers to as a sign of invasion in TPM.

    Seperatist war room - "We must get the starships back into space!" (They call a retreat and evacuate their base)
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    Rebel war room - Evacuating to space with help from the Ion cannon
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    Shot down fleeing starship
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    Ion cannon support to get the Rebel transports away
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    Good guy cannons
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    Republic Star Destroyer equivalants in second-last scene
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    Anakin intentionally falling
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  13. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    AOTC
    Palpatine: "Master Yoda, do you think it will really come to war?"
    Yoda: "The dark side of the force clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is."
    ESB
    Luke: "Will they die?
    Yoda: "DIfficult to see. Always in motion is the future"

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    AOTC
    C3PO: My obtuse little friend, if they wanted our help they would have asked for it. You obviously have a great deal to learn about human behaviour."... "I am programmed to understand humans!"
    ESB
    Han: "Not entirely stable? I'm glad you're here to tell us these things! Chewie take the professor to the back and plug him inot the hyperdrive!"
    C3PO: "Sometimes I just don't understand human behaviour! After all I'm only trying to do..."

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    AOTC
    Anakin: "Don't worry, I've given up trying to argue with you."
    ESB
    Han: "No time to discuss this with the commitee!"


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    Some contrasts in Luke and Anakin's training...

    AOTC
    Obi-Wan: "You will pay attention to my lead."
    Anakin: "Why?"
    Obi-Wan: "What?"
    Anakin: "Why else do you think we were assigned to her, if not to find the killer?"
    ESB
    Luke: "But tell me why I mustn't...
    Yoda: "No, there is no why!"

    and

    AOTC
    Anakin: "I try Master."
    ESB
    Yoda: "Do or no not. There is no try."

    and

    TPM
    Qui-Gon: "Feel, don't think. Trust your instincts."
    AOTC
    Obi-Wan: "Patience. Use the force. Think."
    ESB
    Yoda: "The stone... feel it."

    and

    AOTC
    Obi-Wan: "This weapon is your life!"
    ESB
    Yoda: "Your weapons. You will not need them."


    From this it seems Luke was definitely better trained than Anakin, and that Anakin would have been better off under Qui-Gon or Yoda.


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    AOTC
    Anakin: "I'm ready for the trials, but he feels I'm too unpredictable."
    ESB
    Luke: I'm ready, I can be a Jedi! Ben, tell him I'm..." *hits his head*

    and later

    Yoda: "Control, control you must learn control!"

    and

    Luke: "I feel the force!"
    Obi-Wan: "But you cannot control it. This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the darkside of the force."


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    AOTC
    Anakin: "It's not fair!"
    ESB
    Han: "It's not fair!"


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    AOTC
    Anakin: "Anything is possible Padme, listen to me!"
    ESB
    Luke: "You want the impossible."... "I don't believe it!"
    Yoda: "That is why you fail."
  14. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Kamino / Bespin
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    The Fetts:

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    Jango / Boba
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    Asteroid chase
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    Power down and hide tricks Jango and Boba
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    Power down and hide works on everyone but Boba Fett
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    Also, jettisoned spare parts help Obi-Wan hide from Jango
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    Jettisoned junk helps Han hide from everyone but Boba
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    Dooku fleeing with part of Anakin's innocence
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    Boba fleeing with Han in carbonite
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    AOTC
    Dooku: "There are no bounty hunters out here, the Geonosians don't trust them."
    ESB
    "Bounty Hunters, we don't need that scum."
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  15. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    AOTC
    Anakin: "I'd much rather deam about Padme. Just being around her again is intoxicating."
    Obi-Wan: "Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin, they betray you. You've made a commitment to the Jedi order, a commitment not easily broken."
    ESB
    Yoda: "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind!"
    and
    Yoda: "If you leave now, help them you could, but you will destroy all for which they have fought and suffered."


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    AOTC
    Palpatine: "Your patience has paid off."
    Anakin: "Your guidance more than my patience."
    ESB
    Yoda: "I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience."


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    AOTC
    Obi-Wan: "I haven't felt you this tense since when we fell into that nest of Gundarks!"
    Anakin: "You fell into that nightmare Master, and I rescued you, remember?
    ESB
    Han: "You look strong enough to pull the ears of a Gundark!"
    Luke: "Thanks to you."
    Han: "That's two you owe me junior."


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    AOTC
    Dooku: "It's a great pity our paths have never crossed before. Qui-Gon always spoke very highly of you. I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now."
    Obi-Wan: "Qui-Gon Jinn would never join you!"
    Dooku: "Don't be so sure. Remember, he was once my apprentice as you were once his."
    ESB
    Vader: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him."

    and

    AOTC
    Dooku: "Join me and together we will destroy the Sith!"
    Obi-Wan: "I will never join you Dooku."
    ESB
    Vader: Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy!
    Luke:
    "I'll never join you!"
    ...
    Vader: "You can destroy the Emperor. He has forseen it.


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    Anakin has one scene in AOTC with Palpatine/Sidious. Vader has one holo-meeting with Sidious in ESB.

    AOTC
    Palaptine: "In time you will learn to trust your feelings."
    ESB
    Sidious: "There is a great disturbance in the force."
    Vader: "I have felt it."

    and

    AOTC
    Palpatine: "I forsee you becoming greatest of all Jedi, Anakin."
    ESB
    Sidious: "He could destroy us!"
  16. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    First kisses
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    Kiss before execution / carbon-freeze
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    AOTC
    Padme:"I love you."
    Anakin: "You love me?"
    ESB
    Leia: "I love you."
    Han: "I know."


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    AOTC
    Padme: "I'm not afraid to die."
    ESB
    Luke: "I'm not afraid!"


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    Leia's devotion to duty prevents her from admitting her feelings for Han, much like Padme and Anakin.


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    AOTC
    Padme: "I'll go with you."
    ESB
    Leia: "Then I'm going with you!"


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    AOTC
    Anakin's visions of his mother's pain causes him to abandon his mission to stay with Padme safely on Naboo, and he rushes to Tatooine to save her. He fails, and begins his slide to the dark with the Tusken slaughter.
    ESB
    Luke's vision of his friends' pain causes him to cut short his training and rush to Bespin to save them. He fails, and ends up being rescued by Leia instead.

    AOTC
    Anakin (dreaming): "Mom... no."
    ESB
    Luke (training): "Han? Leia!"

    AOTC
    Anakin: "She is in pain."
    ESB
    Luke: "They were in pain."

    AOTC
    Anakin: "I'm sorry, I don't have a choice."
    ESB
    Obi-Wan: "It is you and your abilities the Emperor wants, that is why your friends are made to suffer."
    Luke: "That's why I have to go."


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    Anakin and Luke failures:

    AOTC - Entering a hole
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    Fear has led him there. Sees his dying mother
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    Fear. Apparition of the father.
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    Decapitation in hate
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    Decapitation in hate
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    Interestingly, both Skywalkers later face their first duel with a Sith and fail.
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  17. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    AOTC
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    Mace giving orders to Anakin
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    (Warm) telekenisis over dinner table
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    Obi-Wan absorbing laser shot
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    Duels:

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    Anakin slashes a power pipe, and they duel in the resultant dark
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    Vader slashes a pipe, and they duel in the resultant steam
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    Dooku throwing objects at Yoda
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  18. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Some dialogue related to the duels (trivially, Anakin and Vader are in a role-reversal in each movie)...


    AOTC
    Dooku: "Master Kenobi, you dissappoint me! Yoda holds you in such high esteem. Surely you can do better!"
    ESB
    Vader: All to easy. Perhaps you are not as strong as the Emperor thought." ... then a few moments later; "Impressive! Most impressive."


    AOTC
    Padme: "Oh Anakin's not a Jedi yet, he's still a padawan learner."
    ESB
    Vader: "The force is with you young Skywalker... but you are not a Jedi yet."


    AOTC
    Dooku: "Brave of you boy. But I would have thought you learnt your lesson."
    Anakin:"I am a slow learner."
    ESB
    Vader: "You have learned much young one."
    Luke: "You'll find I'm full of surprises."


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    Palpatine is counting on turning Anakin in the PT;
    Palpatine: "I see you becoming greatest of all Jedi Anakin. Even more powerful than Master Yoda."
    Luke is the Jedi equivalent in the OT;
    Obi-Wan: "That boy is our last hope."
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    Padme: "The trouble is the people don't always agree."
    Anakin: "Then they should be made to."
    Padme: "By who? Who's gonna make them? You?"
    Anakin: "Of course not me."

    Vader is the Emperor's main enforcer in ESB, making this exchange in AOTC decidedly ironic.


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    A silly one...


    AOTC
    Dooku:
    "The Viceroy of the Trade federation was once in league with this "Darth Sidious", but he was betrayed ten years ago by the Dark Lord." (also TPM - "We should not have made this bargain!")
    ESB
    Lando: "This deals getting worse all the time!"


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    Yoda's vision is clouded in AOTC, quite a stark contrast to his near omniscience in ESB.
    AOTC
    Mace: "I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the force is diminished."


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    Lastly, I see a possible mirror in Anakin's increase in maturity after the Tusken camp slaughter.

    Namely with the fact that Luke makes a lot of spiritual growth in ESB, he says himself in response to Yoda's "Remember your failure at the cave.", "But I've learned so much since then."
    After the initial shock of being dismembered (and Vader's revelation), Luke seems to accept it and grow up. It is more noticeable when you get to ROTJ, but there are hints there in ESB.


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  19. Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Master

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    Apr 16, 2008
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    Continuing to love this
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  20. Han Burgundy Jedi Master

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    Jan 28, 2013
    star 3
    Love it! Don't worry about it being "repetitive" with the Visual links thread, because I think viewing these parallels in order, with accompanying quotes makes this a wholly different experience.
  21. Yanksfan Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 3, 2000
    star 5
    This is a great thread. Thanks for posting these.

    I did get a bit of a giggle comparing the two "I love you" scenes---"You love me?" vs. "I know." Ha ha. I actually forgot that was Anakin's response. I think Han wins. ;)
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  22. CoolyFett Jedi Grand Master

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    Feb 3, 2003
    star 4
    Hey man i appreciate your efforts, you do a great job in uniting the 6 movies as Mr. Lucas intended. The screen shots are really sharp and pretty, are these from the Blu Rays??
  23. HevyDevy Jedi Master

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    Apr 13, 2011
    star 4
    Cool, glad you are enjoying the thread. It's fun even for me to look over this thread grouped together, really gives me a better understanding of the intertwining of the films.

    Lol, yeah that was kind of the impression I got as well. The ESB romance was definitely better executed, but I think the PT romance is perhaps more meaningful and intregal to the plot.

    I've mentioned in the past (and I think others have before me) that it is kind of interesting that Anakin never seems to directly return the reply to "I love you."

    - "I love you." "You love me?"
    - "It's only because I'm so in love." "No, it's because I'm so in love with you!"
    - "Stop, come back. I love you!" "Liar!"

    It adds to tragic element I think.

    Nah, just the dvds. Is it possible to read blurays on a pc?
  24. Samnz Jedi Master

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    Sep 4, 2012
    star 3
    I noticed that connection as well and I think it quite nicely illustrates (non-judgementally) the differences between Han/Leia and Anakin/Padmé or - to be more precise - Anakin and Han. Han's response makes his complete and utter self-confidence obvious, whereas Anakin's response verbalizes his deep insecurity.

    I always found it interesting that Anakin was very strongly ensnaring Padmé, but when she rejected him, he accepted her word and stepped back. In a way, it was very Jedi like, how Anakin obviously had managed to put his own feelings behind and hadn't expected any further development ("You love me?") between the two, until Padmé suddenly brought it up again ("I love you.").
    Han, on the other, was simply confident ("I know.") that Leia would open up ("I love you.") eventually.

    I also liked your "Entering a hole" analogy, @HevyDevy !
  25. HevyDevy Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Apr 13, 2011
    star 4
    Thanx @Samnz , I wasn't sure if I was reaching :p .


    This is an extension of AOTC/ESB, some stuff I missed...



    There is a reoccurring use of cloud, steam, smoke and dust particularly in these two films.

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    In AOTC it seems most likely to be representative of the Republic/Jedi's clouded vision, or the shroud of the darkside and uncertainty.

    Mace later states "I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the force has diminished."

    More "cloud" examples:
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    Seperatists overrun and forced to retreat
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    Anakin's only scene with Palpatine in AOTC
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    Vader's only scene with the Emperor in ESB
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    Anakin
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    Luke
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