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Discussion in 'Canada Discussion Boards' started by DarthBabe, Mar 20, 2003.

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  1. Sar-Tamber-lac

    Sar-Tamber-lac Jedi Master star 5

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    The only problem with America is the Americans.

    :mad:
     
  2. CrazyMike

    CrazyMike JC Collecting Manager and RSA Canada star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Ok everyone play nice now. That being said I
    have been trying to stay out of this forum. I find that I do not know what to think. I see the images of innocent women and children, starvation, POWs. I see all the troops over there fighting for the west, young men and women 19-25 of age. I fear things are going to get alot worse. God have mercy on us ..
     
  3. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Dozens of civilians were killed today when a cruise missile hit a market with no military targets nearby.

    Those "smart bombs" arn't as smart as the Pentagon is bragging.

    The decapitation strike failed to have the desired effect, and was not nearly as shocking or awe inspiring as they boasted beforehand. Shock and awe failed. The Iraqis did not surrender. They are ambushing the Americans. The troops are being bogged down. Coalition and civilian casualties are growing. Basra, which was expected to fall on the first day, still hasn't been taken. The American weapons arn't as good as they bragged. Commanders are saying that they are fighting an enemy that is not like the enemy they wargamed against. The US is being forced to deploy an additional 30,000 troops to the region. All this and they havn't even reached the Republican Guard and Fortress Baghdad yet. The army that is giving them all the trouble now is the same one that was expected to surrender immediately.

    The American war planners were overconfident, even arrogant if you will, and now they are paying the price.
     
  4. DarthBabe

    DarthBabe Jedi Master star 7

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    And why the hell do they keep updating us if there were like six soldiers killed in one day? I'm sure more than that were killed a day in the Vietnam War and WWII.

    What were they expecting, not to get shot or killed? You join the army, expect to be shot at, yes you may die, c'est la vie.
     
  5. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    It sells newspapers, that's why. Didn't they teach you that in journalism school? ;)

    Unlike the Iraqis, Americans don't really have a stomach for death. Remember Solamia, 1993? 18 Marines killed, and the public outcry was so great that they pulled out. Several decades of peace and security have made them soft. The same can be said for nearly the entire western world.
     
  6. DarthBabe

    DarthBabe Jedi Master star 7

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    Well, it's annoying...the things that sell papers more are pictures. A really good pic will sell any paper. I wouldn't buy a paper, if it said "6 Soldiers killed in Iraq" for a headline.
     
  7. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    When I said it sells newspapers, I meant it helps the media in general. It sells newspapers, it gets viewers, listeners, hits, etc, depending on the medium. News sells. Bad news, like dead Americans, sells better.
     
  8. DarthBabe

    DarthBabe Jedi Master star 7

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    I hate to sound cruel but most of my pity goes to dead civilians.
     
  9. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Ditto. Pity the victims, not the invaders.

    Of course, down in the states, one dead American is a tragedy, but 30-50 dead civilians in a bombed market is collateral damage.
     
  10. DarthBabe

    DarthBabe Jedi Master star 7

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    If you think about that, that's just sick. I wish I got BBC news. A guy came in today and said they were showing what the Arab stations were showing. They had much better shots, and they have more access and a much different perspective.
     
  11. Stackpole_The_Hobbit

    Stackpole_The_Hobbit Jedi Master star 6

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    Tammy, not all Americans. Just the stupid ones. (which is sadly most of them.)

    In case you didn't notice, I'm an American. ;)
     
  12. Admiral_JasterMereel

    Admiral_JasterMereel Tucson FF Founding Member star 4

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    I came into work today to realise that my staff wrote "We support our troops!" on the huge board behind the counter.

    I almost cried... Our boss wants it there. I don't! :mad:




    You Rebel Scum!
    ~Bôba Fe++

    [hl=red]Blinding people with my colourful posts since 2002 :D[/hl]
     
  13. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    What troops, Jareel? I didn't know NZ had troops there.
     
  14. Sar-Tamber-lac

    Sar-Tamber-lac Jedi Master star 5

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    You don't have to agree with them to support them. I have gay friends. I don't agree with their lifestyle, or like it, but I support them. Same thing here. Just because you don't agree with the war doesn't mean you shouldn't support the people that are out there. They're just doin what they believe in.

    EDIT: Changed something to make it make more sense...could've lead people wrong with that one...
     
  15. AT-ST_DRIVER

    AT-ST_DRIVER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Bad news, like dead Americans, sells better.


    This thread is just filled with good lines for my sig...
     
  16. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Wow. Go Canada! We're not even fighting and Iraqis are still surrendering to us. ;)

    Soldiers surrender to Canadian journalists

    Two Iraqi soldiers surrendered Friday to CBC reporter Paul Workman and the Globe and Mail's Geoffrey York.

    "We were standing in front of a big statue of Saddam Hussein having our pictures taken . . . and all of a sudden a couple of guys came up to us with their hands over their heads," Mr. Workman said of the incident in the port city of Umm Qasr.

    [link=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030328.wlatest0328/BNStory/International]Source[/link]
     
  17. Sar-Tamber-lac

    Sar-Tamber-lac Jedi Master star 5

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    Have You Forgotten?
    by Darryl Worley


    I hear people saying we don't need this war
    I say there's some things worth fighting for
    What about our freedom and this piece of ground
    We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
    Now they say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
    Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

    Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
    To see your homeland under fire
    And her people blown away
    Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
    We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
    And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
    Have you forgotten?

    They took all the footage off my T.V.
    Said it's too disturbing for you and me
    It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
    If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
    Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
    Well after 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

    Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
    To see your homeland under fire
    And her people blown away
    Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
    We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
    And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
    Have you forgotten?

    Now I've been there with the soldiers
    Who've gone away to war
    And you can bet that they remember
    Just what they're fightin' for

    Have you forgotten all the people killed?
    Some went down like heros in that Pennsylvania field
    Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
    And all the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on
    Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden
    Have you forgotten?

    Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
    To see your homeland under fire
    And her people blown away
    Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
    We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
    And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
    Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten?



    What an amazing song...Well, to me, anyways
     
  18. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    We havn't forgotten. It's just a mixture of not caring (Keep things in proportion. America is lucky that their great tragedy only cost 3,000 lives. Most nations arn't so lucky) and not seeing how 9/11 justifies an attack against a nation that may or may not pose any threat to America. If my neighbour across the street kicks my dog, does that give me the right to walk across town and kick someone else's dog?

    --

    "I was perfectly within my rights to shoot that five year old, your honour.

    Stats show that one out of every thousand is a criminal and that almost 1 in 8 crimes is of a violent nature. If I didn't kill that little boy, it's perfectly possible that he could have grown up to rape my wife and murder me.

    What's that? The other ten people I shot? Well - they were in the way of the little boy. Their deaths are regretable, but when you're fighting rapist killers, that sort of thing will happen from time to time"
     
  19. AT-ST_DRIVER

    AT-ST_DRIVER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In case you didn't notice, I'm an American.

    WHAT?

    I always thought you were a sock of C-3PX. Crap.
     
  20. AT-ST_DRIVER

    AT-ST_DRIVER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    and back to the topic, you know what bugs me about that american ambassador who complained about Canada not helping America? Where the hell does he think all of his precious planes landed on September the eleventh?
     
  21. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Paul Cellucci, the American ambassador, has been on our case for a while now. He says our military isn't strong enough, and we don't help them enough.

    To Paul Cellucci: Get the hell out of our affairs, and make sure the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out.

    To Dubya: Can we please get a competent ambassador next time? Sending us a retarded monkey doesn't give us a very positive signal.

    Nevermind the planes on 9/11. Think of all the support we gave them in Afghanistan! Ungrateful jerk.
     
  22. Stackpole_The_Hobbit

    Stackpole_The_Hobbit Jedi Master star 6

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    Adam, you wound me, brother. :_|
     
  23. KitFist0

    KitFist0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Adam never shuts up . . .
     
  24. Stackpole_The_Hobbit

    Stackpole_The_Hobbit Jedi Master star 6

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    Also, I'd like to formally extend Teh Olive Branch to Tammy. :)
     
  25. Admiral_Thrawn60

    Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling star 6

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    //extends an olive branch to Tammy, and poison ivy to Cellucci
     
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