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Coping With Frames!

Discussion in 'Fan Sites' started by AERYN_SUN, Dec 13, 2002.

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  1. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    well, i'd thought i'd add this to the board since a majority of the sites out have been built using frames.

    i will not lie, unless you are not familiar with .html language, building a site using frames can be very difficult.

    however, if you just type frames into google or dogpile, you'll have a lot of tutorials on this subject.

    [link=http://www.2kweb.net/html-tutorial/frames/top-left-right/] Includes all types of frames [/link]

    This tutorial is really good if you do not have the time to learn about frames and want something quick.

    [link=http://www.devon-worldwide.com/html/code12.html] Invisible Frames [/link] Take away the border and make you frames website, free of borders.
    drop down menus for frames -

    you can also create frames yourself. if you have dreamweaver, you can use this program t create the type of frames website you want.

    note: you can create the pages themselves in dreamweaver, but it's better to use microsoft word or microsoft frontpage. you can then insert the pages into the dreamweaver document.

    once you have created all frames, it's a good idea to save every individual frame and name them something familiar (top, bottom, main etc.) and then save the whole frames set.
     
  2. xie

    xie Jedi Knight star 5

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    i will not lie, unless you are not familiar with .html language, building a site using frames can be very difficult.

    Not to be rude, but they really aren't difficult at all. On the first website I ever made I used iframes. The biggest problem people have is that they think you can just stick a little tag in your HTML and have frames, so they don't target their links.

    Frames themselves, especially plain old vanilla frames, aren't that hard at all.
     
  3. Ozzel

    Ozzel TF.N Foreign Book Covers Staff star 5 VIP

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    Well, they aren't extremely hard, but they can be tricky; especially at first.
     
  4. Alybrylla

    Alybrylla Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Take away the border and make you frames website, free of borders.

    Ooh, thank you! :D
    I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of those annoying white lines ever since I put my sites into frames...
     
  5. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    what you do to take away the border, is st the frame border to '0'

    at least one person found this thread helpful, so i don't feel really bad about making it.
     
  6. YodaJeff

    YodaJeff Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm not a fan of frames. I haven't used them (on my own free will) in at least 4 years. The only time I used them somewhat recently is when I was designing a website for someone else, and they wanted frames. I tried to design a non-frames version, but they wanted frames. Later on, I started to develop another non-frames version, but I never really finished it.
     
  7. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I am not too wild abot frames myself. I hate it when I get stuck in someones's frameset when I click on a link from thier site. I do use Iframes quite a bit though, eventhough Netscape doesn't play nice with them.(netscape must die)
     
  8. malkieD2

    malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [link=http://www.malkieland.com/nessphotos.htm]This [/link] is how I like frame to work - useful and neat :)

    yes, its all my own work :)

    malkie
     
  9. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 9

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    I agree with xie, Frames aren't all that hard. I've had them since my first site, too. I targetted them and all. I actually have learned all my html by myself, and I do everything by html.

    [hl=slateblue]-sj loves kevin spacey[/hl]
     
  10. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    creating a website using frames is not easy for a webmaster or webmistress who's making them for the first time. i know, for me, i started to grasp little by little but not everything until i asked my brother for help.

    the purpose of this thread to is help webmasters & webmistresses who need help.
     
  11. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    i'm making a website using frames and want to have my banner placed horizontally on the left side of the screen, but i can't seem to figure out the correct banner size that will cover all the white spaces. can someone help me, please?
     
  12. Valiowk

    Valiowk Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    One of the reasons why I dislike using frames is because if the user wants to go to another separate website, chances are that it will only load in the body window, while the navigation window and title window remain the same. This is often very irritating as it makes the size of the resulting page smaller, and is also rather misleading. Using tables and making them look like frames is much better.
     
  13. jedi-mind-trick

    jedi-mind-trick VIP star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I personally like frames, if it is done correctly. A major part of that is not to use to many frames, and to make sure all links open in a new window. I think you can do some fantastic designs with frames. My one biggest pet peeve with frames is people who over-frame things, with windows all over the place that really do not serve the design. So I suppose my bottom line would be if you are going to use them, make sure all extraneous links open outside your frameset, and make sure your frames serve your site, not the other way around. Just my thoughts. :)
     
  14. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    okay, here's the code for my site. could you all please help me. i want my banner placed on the left frame, vertically placed but i don't want any white spaces to be shown and i want to know how i can eliminate those white spaces.

    ~~

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Fated To Be...</title>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    </head>

    <frameset cols="282,*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0" rows="*" bordercolor="#009933">
    <frameset rows="80,*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0">
    <frame name="topFrame" scrolling="NO" noresize src="http://www31.brinkster.com/fatedtobe/menu2.htm" >
    <frame name="mainFrame" scrolling="YES" src="http://www31.brinkster.com/fatedtobe/main2.htm">
    </frameset>
    </frameset>
    <noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">

    </body></noframes>
    </html>
     
  15. Night4554

    Night4554 Jedi Knight star 5

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    index.html, with dots added in to clarify the seperation:
    [blockquote]<html>
    <head>
    <title>Fated To Be...</title>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    </head>

    <frameset cols="282,*" frameborder="0" border="0" framespacing="0">
    ...<frame name="Left_Column" src="whatever">
    ...<frameset rows="80,*" frameborder="0" border="0" framespacing="0">
    ......<frame name="topFrame" scrolling="NO" noresize src="http://www31.brinkster.com/fatedtobe/menu2.htm" >
    ......<frame name="mainFrame" scrolling="YES" src="http://www31.brinkster.com/fatedtobe/main2.htm">
    ...</frameset>
    </frameset>
    <noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"></body></noframes>
    </html> [/blockquote]

    Your other pages:
    [blockquote]<body topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" rightmargin="0" bottommargin="0">[/blockquote]

    That will eliminate all whitespace. As demonstrated here: [link=http://www.blenderwars.com/frame.php?module=models]http://www.blenderwars.com/frame.php?module=models[/link]. Three frames. Can't really tell.

    ¤Night
     
  16. WyethStar

    WyethStar Jedi Youngling

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    Frames. Ugh, In the past I always used tables for positioning because I hated frames so much. They're problematic and unless they're done "just" right, it's more of a clutter than anything else.

    I would like to recommend CSS for positioning/layout. It's relatively easy to use (the basics are anyways) and is much more versatile.

    Tutorials can be found throughout the web. you can also visit my site that is under construction to see the very basics of CSS. (view source). You can find it in the (fan site) thread.

     
  17. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    thanks.

    in the code, where does "<body topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" rightmargin="0" bottommargin="0">" go?
     
  18. Kadue

    Kadue Jedi Knight star 5

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    Like on all pages, just under the </head> tag.
     
  19. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    thanks, kadue :D
     
  20. bliv

    bliv Jedi Youngling star 3

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    For someone who has no idea of html they can use a program with a graphical interface to create frames with a few clicks of the mouse. Microsoft Word is pretty powerful for beginners. From there you can learn the html.
     
  21. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    my first class of web design was this morning. the teacher is awesome and it's a very small class, but so far, it looks it will be easiest and my favorite class. and i'm probably the most experienced besides the teacher since i have created four websites already.

    and ofcourse, any tips i learn about in there, will appear here too on board.
     
  22. scuiggefest

    scuiggefest Jedi Master star 4

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    Frames are Naughty. They're ugly and cluttered. Actually they're all right if they are just one small frame that goes away when you go to another site and let's you resize it out of view when you don't want to see it.
     
  23. AERYN_SUN

    AERYN_SUN Jedi Knight star 5

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    i actually understand frames now. one day, i was working in dreamweaver and i don't know, all of the sudden, i knew exactly what to do.

    ~aeryn
     
  24. Angel_Blue01

    Angel_Blue01 Jedi Master star 2

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    CSS support is so poor. I try to avoid it, when possible.

    And why use Word? It pages are so full of garbage: XML, CSS, VB Script, most of it only works right in IE anyway.
     
  25. Darth-Schwartz

    Darth-Schwartz Jedi Master star 4

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    set your scrolls as "auto". then if the page doesn't need the scroll bar its gone, if it does then it apears.
     
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