PT Could the Jedi REALLY have expelled Anakin?

In Ep 2 Obiwan mentions to Anakin "You will be expelled from the order" for wanting to go back to Padme and lose pursuit of Dooku

Anakin also was married and had both a lover and a child. Something that is can get you kicked out by the Jedi order.

But Anakin couldn't really be banished or expelled because he was the chosen one after all, the one that would bring balance to the force.

So had the Jedi actually found out about this relationship could they still have expelled him? Or maybe they'd let it slide because he is the chosen one.


Because if they were to have found out about it and not expel him, the whole fear of padme dying probably could've been saved and Palpatine probably wouldn't have made his genocide successful.

 

That was actually Obi-Wan in the ROTS novel.


Anyway, I doubt it. There were more than a few prequel-era Jedi who were openly married for pretty iffy reasons, like Ki-Adi Mundi. His official reason was that his species' birth rate was very low, so he got married no less than five times and had seven kids. Seven kids is seven kids, but it demonstrates that the marriage policy could be bent or outright broken if you still conduct yourself as a Jedi. Alot of Jedi also had fairly off-the-radar affairs with each other or other people; Obi-Wan of all people had at least three significant others, as did other Council members.

I tend to think that Anakin being married would have forced the issue into the open, if he'd managed not to turn Sith. Anakin's heroism in the Clone Wars was unquestioned and he was probably the most public figure the Jedi had, and, of course, he'd have just defeated the worst threat the Jedi had ever known. Throwing him out of the Order after that seems pretty ridiculous to me.

 

I thought that would make a fantastic "What if", Anakin is either expelled or steps down from being a Jedi at the beginning of ROTS. I don't see why Padme would be scandalized by it so much, I mean, we expect Senators to sleep with people they're not supposed to lol. She's not a kid anymore, nor is she Queen, so it would be strange if she continued to serve the Senate, Anakin moves to Naboo and becomes Mr. Mom, raises the kids, and maybe even starts his own Jedi/Force adept school. I mean, he's no Yoda or Mace Windu, but his Force skills are on par with the best of the Jedi Order, his potential exceeds any of theirs, he's a veteran of the Clone Wars, the killer of Count Dooku, and is the hero of the Republic.

If he's not a threat to the Jedi or the Republic, on in league with the Sith or the Seperatists, I don't see any reason why he couldn't start his own organization. It would also be strange if he continued his friendship with the Chancellor, maybe even becoming his bodyguard or advisor at some point. I'd imagine that would irritate the Jedi - they expel Anakin, and he struts around the Senate in his expensive new robes with his expensive new custom lightsaber, whispering in the Chancellor's ear about this and that.

 

"Could the Jedi REALLY have expelled Anakin?"

"they can try !"...

 

Yes they could have, and he definitely didn't need to be a Jedi to restore balance. After all, there was no Jedi order when he fulfilled the prophecy. As for whether they actually would do it, it depends on the situation I think. Suppose he killed Palpatine instead of helping him in ROTS and fulfills the prophecy that way. I really don't see them expelling him after doing that. However, if he gets busted prior to that, then yes he would most likely face expulsion.

 

They would have done whatever best served their interests.

Anakin Skywalker was little more than a pawn to both Darth Sidious & the Jedi Council.

 

Evil.


Sidious asked for help and the Jedi did their real business off the record.
Only bad things can happen when the honorable do worse than the wicked.

The Sith destroyed the Jedi from within by guile, they manipulated them into compromising their integrity. Clouded their vision, indeed.

 

If that were the case, the "honorable" would really be the "wicked". We don't see that here.

 

I "saw" it there.

 

"Then you are lost!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

 

And yet, Obi-wan realized that Yoda and Mace were right when he saw the holographic footage of Anakin kneeling before Palpatine who is now been revealed as Darth Sidious, the Sith lord whom the Jedi have been hunting since TPM. Its just too bad that their plan to have Anakin spy on PalpSidious blew up in their faces due to Anakin betraying and helping Sidious murder all the Jedi. It may be important to treat people as individuals and not as carbon copies of yourself but its also important to be careful with what kind of people you're dealing with. Some people may be just like PalpSidious who takes advantage of you and cons you into doing what they want you to do. There's a reason why the Jedi never leave their ivory tower and its to avoid people like Sidious who could tempt them into turning to the Dark Side. Obi-wan tried to warn Anakin many times not to trust PalpSidious and the footage that Obi-wan saw proved that he's right but it upsets him to see that Anakin is willing to turn traitor against him and his fellow jedi.

For that, Obi-wan is now forced to kill his own padawan.

 

Stating/implying that "if Anakin would have just adhered and blindly obeyed the Jedi dogma

Palpatine used the Jedi dogma, inflexibility, and head-in-the-sand syndrome against them, and would have done so even if Anakin had remained on Tatooine

I think Sids used Anakin's "weaknesses" against him - not necessarily the "Jedi dogma." Nor did the Order help, in 20/20 hindsight, either (speaking from their viewpoint).

By weaknesses, I mean Anakin's blind attachments to individuals..."weaknesses" or traits that are not OF THEMSELVES bad or weak, but traits that a Jedi should recognize within himself and guard against being twisted. All humans have some weaknesses (I'm not singling out Anakin), but his turned out to be fatal due a combination of Sids exploiting them, the Jedi not addressing them, and Anakin allowing them to be twisted against him.

Let's face it, any trait - even the "so-called" good ones like honesty, loyalty, friendship, sympathy - indulged to the extreme can lead to bad choices and undesirable actions.

And when someone manipulates one as Sids did Anakin...you've got your seduction scenario down pat.

 

You saw how Anakin turned out and that's because he was 10 years too late in being brought to the Jedi Temple. He's already developed emotions and attachments but has no idea how to control them. None of the Jedi knew how to help him since they never experienced what its like to be separated from their loved ones. It didn't help matters when they let him be friends with Palpatine, who is a Sith Lord in disguise and is amplifying Anakin's emotional trauma with all the ego-boosting and false promises which could lead to disasterous results should Anakin not get what he wants. The Jedi's way of life was working fine for 1,000 years until they brought in Anakin.

He also knew that Palpatine could not be trusted and he was right about that too. He just didn't know how right he was and when Anakin found out that Palpatine is Darth Sidious, he should've realized that Palpatine is the one using him. Anakin should've taken his head out of his own ass and see that PalpSidious was never a real friend to him, just a decepticon who is only buttering him up with all those false promises so he could make the Jedi tear Anakin down. If Anakin had understood that PalpSidious never cared about him at all and only sees him as a powerful, yet expendable weapon, then he would never had sided with him. Anakin knew that the Jedi don't trust what Palpatine is doing with his authority over the Republic and having Palpatine reveal himself as Darth Sidious should prove to Anakin that the Jedi are right but he's letting his fear of losing Padme get in the way of that thus why he betrayed and helped Sidious murder all the Jedi (minus Obi-wan and Yoda).

Oh sure, letting Anakin do whatever the hell he wants worked really well, didn't it? Too much free will leads to horrible choices which is why we have so much crime, war, and destruction in the world. If the Jedi had been more flexible with Anakin, he'd had fallen to the Dark Side a lot sooner long before Padme could reenter his life.

 

Let's face it, Anakin was being manipulated by the Sith and the Jedi - the Sith for selfish and self-serving purposes and the Order for the "greater good."

 

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Bear in mind, whether I made that clear or not, I wasn't referring to Anakinfan, but those she had quoted about the horrible Jedi. They are no more evil and horrible than they are perfect and I dislike both extreme views.

 

If they had experienced seperation and had a loved one die in their arms, they would've reacted the same way Anakin did after his mother died when he slaughtered a village full of sandpeople. That's why the Jedi created that "no-attachment" rule in the first place and why Obi-wan and Yoda tried to stop Luke from rescuing Han and Leia.

I'm not familiar with women's rights but I'm all for wanting minorities to have civil rights. The Jedi philosophy is about self-control and being at peace with oneself but Anakin never understood any of that because he mistook being a Jedi for being a superhero who fights bad guys and saves damsels in distress. Anakin resented the way the Jedi operate things and didn't even try to adapt to their ways so its easy for him to side with PalpSidious.

I watched the Council allow Anakin to spend more time with Padme especially by the end of AOTC when she's no longer in danger. They got married and Padme gets pregnant which led to Anakin having nightmares about Padme dying and you know what happens next in ROTS. If the Council had given another Jedi the assignment of protecting Padme, Anakin wouldn't have developed an attachment toward her, he wouldn't have snuck off to Tatooine to massacre all the sandpeople after losing his mother, nor would he have married and impregnate Padme. That way, Anakin would have nothing to gain from joining the Dark Side.

But there is a downside to having a free country. People tend to abuse their freedom, they end up doing terrible stuff like the L.A. riots, the aftermath of Woodstock 1999, and the September 11th attacks. All I'm saying is that with freedom, comes responsibility which is similar to Ben Parker's "great power" speech from Spider-Man. Unlike Spidey, Anakin was unwilling to accept responsibility for his actions until the moment Emperor Sidious threw lightning bolts up Luke's ass.

Freedom, like everything else, has a price.