ST Could the "Other" Yoda spoke of still play a part in the ST?

Yoda's full line was actually:

"No. There is another. Named Maz Kanata."

 

It isn't like Obi-Wan forgot about Leia. He was simply stating that as far as he was concerned Luke was the only one who could face Vader and the Emperor, because they had put the effort into Luke and know there was no way to train her (Kenobi was dead and Yoda not far behind).

Yoda's response was simply that there was still hope in Leia - that as long as she was alive and free they'd find a way.

 

I argued this recently in the new canon thread. Ben says Luke is their only hope (in universe that is). Makes no sense since he knows about Leia already. But Luke only asks about it after Yoda had said there is another "Skywalker". They could still be two different people. I'm not saying they should but if TPTB want it they can justify somewhat.

 

Ben Kenobi shouldn't have known about Leia's true identity until Episode V. Yoda should've been there at the birth instead. He could've then taken baby Luke to Dagobah in secret to hand off to Ben after he defeated Darth Vader on Mustafar.

 

cough Ezra cough.

 

The biggest problem is in ESB Luke asks Yoda if he should just let Han and Leia die and Yoda's like "yep". If that's your other last hope, he's being pretty nonchalant about it or doesn't seem to care about her much.

 

that's exactly what I said yesterday, great minds think alike.
if she's your substitute for Luke than why mention another if she's one of the people Luke wants to go rescue but Yoda/Kenobi don't want him to.To me that's the No #1 and actually only inconstancy of the 6 movies.

 

His point is not so much that Luke should let them die, but that he will not necessarily affect the outcome by going to their rescue. Which is correct.

 

well he did affect the outcome by going to rescue them otherwise how would Leia and the others escape if R2 didn't go or how Luke distracted Vader while they escaped, their escape would have been extremely unlikely if neither Luke nor R2 showed up.

 

It basically says Yoda was more concerned about Luke finishing his training than the actual life of their backup.

 

Obi-Wan was there when they were born, and knew there were twins.

In Episode V Leia was not Luke's sister. Lucas changed that before VI. So what the OP said was true, from a certain point of view

 

Isn't there already a thread about what would make you so mad you would walk out of the theater?

 

Completely agree in this context:

He does not say "yep" Obi-Wan mentions "even he cannot see there fate"; It is quite possible Yoda and Obi-Wan trying to convince Luke to stay was to try and protect Luke from a possible turn to the darkside & to save Leia's life as well (and the others as well) - Luke is thought of by this time as the "New Hope" the one to bring balance to the force, it's a major gamble by Luke leaving (which I hope he would always do if they were in grave danger!) but it was a major gamble that the fate of the galaxy was literally in the balance when he dueled with Vader on Bespin.

Yoda's exact conversation with Luke


[Yoda tries to convince Luke not to leave]
Yoda: You must not go!
Luke: But Han and Leia will die if I don't.
[Obi-Wan's Force-spirit suddenly appears]
Obi-Wan: You don't know that. Even Yoda cannot see their fate.
Luke: But I can help them! I feel the Force!
Obi-Wan: But you cannot control it. This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force.

[as Luke leaves before completing his training]
Yoda: Told you I did. Reckless is he. Now, matters are worse.
Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.

 

Yoda is just telling Luke to trust them.

 

I know Ben was there with Padme. I was trying to create a scenario that was more consistent with the OT's story.

 

A possible scenario is that Leia Organa is not Leia Skywalker we saw come out of Padme's tummy.

One might even believe Obi Wan alludes to this when he tells Luke, "The Emperor knew as well as I, if Anakin were to have any offspring they would be a threat to him.... that's why your sister remains safely anonymous." Luke guesses Leia Organa, Ben (who at this point has a solid reputation for weaving half truths) allows Luke to believe this assumed fact. Why? So that his REAL BIOLOGICAL SISTER'S IDENTITY WOULD REMAIN SAFELY ANONYMOUS in the event Luke was turned or opened his big mouth / heart.

If the stakes were truly as high as they seemed; it would be out of character for Obi Wan or Yoda to show their hand to Luke. If the Emperor turned Luke, it's really all over. Vader read Luke's emotions and saw he cared for Leia, which he did, but Vader was even surprised by the idea that Leia Organa was his kid.

What's the precedent for this theory?

Padme herself used body double hand maidens her whole career -until she had two in the oven. It's not out of character for their to be a switch.

Something like this is what would keep this series fresh moving forward. Because if a previously unknown Skywalker was introduced to the audience, we are now in uncharted waters and anything goes at that point.

 

No way. Vader knowing there was a sister at all would have given her away.

 

"That boy is our last hope."
"No. There is another."

...and later, in ROTJ.
"Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope."
"Yoda spoke of another." (note: NOT "another Skywalker")
"The other he spoke of is your twin sister."
"But I have no sister."

So the only possibilities are that everyone's talking about Leia, or Yoda's been keeping secrets from Obi-Wan, even after Obi-Wan became a ghost, and the one he referred to with Ben in ESB is not Leia, whom he told Luke about in ROTJ.

 

Yes convoluted for sure but doable if TPTB want an "Other" different from Leia. As people pointed out a few posts ago is that Luke is going to save Leia yet Yoda says don't go but then says there is another. If Leia is the other her death would mean there is no "Other". This is the problem with retcon they are not totally clean and then you retcon the retcon in ROTS.

Again not saying there should be a different "Other" just that there could be.

 

"You don't know that." -Obi-Wan.

Leia, Chewie, & Lando may have been captured by the Empire anyway, but maybe not. "Always in motion is the future." And if Luke hadn't gone, he may have completed his training as Yoda wished and been ready to face Vader & the Emperor in another way, and the need for an "other" would have vanished.

 

?????

Vader croaked minutes after this discovery. The Emperor before him. Dead men tell no tales....

 

you also have to consider GL simply FUBARD this part

 

It was Leia. They were building up the Anticipation for the audience prior to revealing Luke and Leia being brother and sister.

 

So he's a courier and a distraction. Not a Jedi.

 

and Luke was exactly the same thing in VI a distraction to Vader/Palps and he was a Jedi.
you make it seem like no Jedi ever was a distraction, a Jedi is supposed to be selfless which Luke was in all 3 OT movies.