Lit Cult Encounters and Supernatural Encounters (even more new Legends material!)

So for posterity's sake, anyone have a list of references to things speculated to be related to the Cosmic War of 100,000 BBY?

 

The Muurshantre Exctinction of 100,000 years prior to the events of Shadows of Mindor, per Cronal's thoughts:

It must also be noted that the Temple of Korman Lao and the Kanzer Exiles who worshipped at it would likely have been at least as old as the Taurannik Codex that "hinted" at them.

 

Agreed, fully. The Cosmic War/Muurshantre Extinction in 100,000 BBY is a separate pan-Galactic conflagration from the 30,000 BBY Celestial-Rakata conflict. Just as the Ones/Celestials/Architects overthrew or otherwise put away the Old Ones circa 100,000 BBY, they themselves were overthrown or simply left behind by the Rakata, Kilik, and their other servant species.

Alternatively, the Cosmic War mentioned more frequently than mere chance could account for in early EU works could be the same as the Rakata-Celestial conflict of 30,000 BBY, and the earlier 100,000 conflict where the Old Ones were vanquished is simply that- an earlier Cosmic War.

 

So regarding the celestials, humans and duros and Columi.

There are references to the Columi encountering humans and other core world species and being unimpressed and uninterested yet at the same time they seem to encounter the celestials who scare them so much they become primitives.

Could the celestials have been involved with early humans, duros and the like? Shepherding them or guiding their development?

We know they created the Corellian system? Could human colonists have been transplanted by the celestials?

I mean if they can create a star system transporting humans to settle said star system should be child's play for them.

 

And Cronal, who is known to have delved deeply into lore lost since at least one previous Cosmic War, also happened to set up shop on Mindor. That might not be a coincidence. There could indeed be a connection.

If Abeloth was indeed involved in previous Galaxy-wide Wars, as the final FotJ novel suggested, and as the twin-star eyes in an ending panel of The 4th Precept can be interpreted as showing:


... there could also be a connection between this and another image from Visionaries, depicting "Green Coruscant":

We know that Abeloth seems to be familiar enough with Coruscant, or at least coordinates to it, despite not having been explicitly said to have been there before, then perhaps this can also be taken as an example of what Coruscant/"Notron" might have looked like a long, long time ago?

If nothing else, Wookieepedia seems to regard the companion work "Executor Executes" as depicting a canonical event, so why couldn't Green Coruscant also depict a real event or time? It can't be in the future, but it can depict something from long ago, much as The 4th Precept seems to.

If Abeloth has no real difficulty finding her way to Coruscant, per Apocalypse, she may well have been there before, and it isn't too much of a stretch to wonder if Green Coruscant is something that might have looked familiar to her on a previous visit. Just a hunch, but nothing contradicts it.

 

Cult Encounters' hinted identification of Abeloth with Vain Goddess Onrai, Humanity's primal deity, definitely insinuates she's way more than "familiar" with Coruscant...

 

I always liked Wutzek. I have that issue of the marvel series as a floppy.

 

The most popular Wutzek theory I've heard is that he was the traitor to the Old Ones, who is described as "amorphous," and it would explain why he smoked the Five and then seemingly never bothered anyone again. Tilotny and Horliss' absence from the list is interesting, yes, especially since Tilotny's surprise that Ap and Cold Danda have managed to "throw a shape" implies that she and Horliss are stronger than them.

I'm most interested, of course, in the Soulworm and Father of Shadows. The article insinuates very much that they're the two strongest, and they're also the only two whose whereabouts we don't have even a reasonable guess for, though supposedly the Celestials imprisoned the Soulworm at the Galactic core. Of the Father we've got nothing unless I missed something, though it seems he is the very apex of Dark Side beings.

 

How would a deity like this one work out?

I created a deity for my one of my cultures inside the sector I made which revolves around a being called "The One" (though this is a rough Galactic Basic translation of the name given by the culture). The One supposedly created the universe by removing his left eye and then formed life with the tears of his right eye. He then spent countless centuries teaching all beings the will to think and create (though at times they used them to destroy) before passing beyond the veil to fight an eternal darkness and preserve the light, with the Force being his gift to the universe he left behind to watch over more closely then he can during this non-stop infinite fight.

So who would this resemble in actual Star Wars content? I don't have access to the Cult Encounters thing and Wookieepedia is sometimes not very forthcoming.

 

I am really excited to finally see this after all this time. I am wondering if I can fit some of this stuff into my "Edge of the Republic" campaign when I can start it back up again. My players stole a mysterious Sith artifact from the Damask Holdings facility on Mustafar (which they then proceded to destroy, which certainly means the owner will come looking for them eventually...) which is pretty much a Star Map that leads to the Talortai homeworld. So maybe the Talortai, a mysterious species known to have awareness of the Force have some knowledge of or connection to these deities? Maybe there's an ancient Sith temple devoted to Typhojem on the Talortai homeworld or something?

 

I wonder how Arhul got into the underground city on Alashan? That seemed pretty permanently sealed at the end of the World of Fire arc.

 

Okay I'm really confused about what the conversation is about?

Can someone please clarify if this is legends canon or just speculation?

 

Very much a mixture. We can say for sure that the names being referred to are things which either existed in some form or are believed by at least some in-universe scholars/religions/cultists to have existed. The bulk of the actual details and how they fit together (if they are in fact related) are speculation, however. Either our speculation or the in-universe speculation of more modern-era characters like Arhul (part of what I was getting at here)

Of course, whether Arhul having these theories (not to be confused with the actual content of the theories) is Legends canon or not is a bit of a grey area since while the article was written as official content, it never saw the light of day until an unofficial release well after the Disney transition (I forget what status the 'unreleased' Adventure Journal issues were given, similar situation there). Personally I think the distinction is somewhat meaningless given that Legends content is no longer being produced. In any case the only new content it provides which is set-in-stone fact is that Arhul had these theories (and that Cronal's communiques existed, though their veracity is hardly certain given that he's Cronal), as the theories themselves could easily be entirely inaccurate like the 1800s understanding of dinosaurs, so it fits in pretty easily.

 

Is it strange that all this talk of these ultimate Dark Side beings makes me hope there'll be some sort of grand finale for Legends? Don't outright continue it, but bring it back one more time for a last hurrah that wraps up the remaining plot points left dangling by the sudden reboot. DC Convergence but with Star Wars, basically. The Old Ones would make great villains for this.

 

I always felt like the EU was building up to Luke fighting the the leader of the Old Ones.

 

I wonder what plot points it could address? What happened to Legendsverse!Ahsoka sticks out to me. And if they really wanted it to be a giant Convergence-style Author's Saving Throw they could revive Mara too.

 

Maybe Abeloth when she comes back, attempts a ritual that would free the others?

 

Said it once (probably more times but point still stands), will say it again.
These things are so much more interesting than what we are getting now.
Hmm. Interesting ideas Sinny.
Makes me curious to know about the Throne of Balance as well.
Could that be like a Camelot type story?
And we get a search for the Holy Grail type story after that?