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ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in Episode VII

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Chained Prometheus, Apr 30, 2014.

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  1. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 6

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    The fact that Dave Filoni said this about the EU makes perfect sense with the use he did of it.
     
  2. ChildOfWinds

    ChildOfWinds Chosen One star 6

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    DARTH_MUPPET:
    Of course he's not going to be able to fully reestablish a FLOURISHING Jedi Order in his lifetime. I don't think Daisy or any other new character could accomplish that within their lifetimes either. It's a HUGE undertaking , which is why I was hoping that Luke would have STARTED to train some Jedi in the thirty plus years between trilogies. I still hope that he will have trained at least a few between RotJ and Episode VII.

    But I want Luke to be the one who starts the rebuilding of the Order..

    I think it's a pretty big HINT that Yoda didn't want the Jedi to die out with Luke and that he wanted Luke to train others as Jedi. That *is* beginning to form a new Jedi Order even if it isn't formally called a "Jedi Order".







    DanielUK:
    How do you know that Lucas didn't envision Luke reestablishing the Jedi Order??? I have NEVER seen any comments from Lucas that said that Luke wouldn't or shouldn't restore the Order. In fact, the very fact that Lucas had Yoda tell Luke to "Pass on what you have learned" seems to say the opposite: That Luke's task after RotJ *WAS* to start training others as Jedi, and thus, begin a new order.


    No, Luke was originally meant to be a girl. There is early concept art of a female instead of a male. It still would have been Luke (or Lucy) who would have been the hero of the OT.

    Then (before Leia became Luke's sister), there was supposed to be a plot for the ST where Luke went to search for his sister. There was never any comments though about that sister being the "true hero of the saga", at least none that I have read or heard.


    The problem is though, that Lucas changes his mind a lot, which means that his films have evolved and his comments have changed over the years, and seem to continue to change. He first said there would be a nine-film saga. Then he said it would just be the three original films. Then he did the prequels and said he would NEVER do sequels... that there was NO story beyond VI. Now, they're doing the sequels. Vader wasn't originally supposed to be Luke's father, but the friend of his father. Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister, but probably his romantic interest. So you can't take all of Lucas' comments as gospel, because he changes his plans, and that ends up meaning that not all of his comments are true anymore or conflict with other comments.

    When Star Wars, A New Hope came out, it was supposed to be part of the Adventures of Luke Skywalker. (From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker is actually written on the Original SW novel). So, the story was Luke's.

    But then, Lucas made the prequel trilogy and said that the six film saga was about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. However, in a printed interview (maybe in Variety?) Lucas also admitted that he didn't "realize" that it was Anakin's story until midway into the prequels. So, it wasn't his original plan. In fact, if he had stuck to his original plan, Anakin wouldn't have been Luke's father in the first place.

    Now there will be a sequel trilogy, and that will change the focus yet again. I just hope that Luke won't be diminished and degraded in the process as seems likely from all of the terrible rumors I've heard.


    No, the EU didn't do that. Even before there was a single novel, I expected Luke Skywalker's future would involve restoring the Jedi Order based on what Yoda told him in RotJ. It was also the next logical step in Luke's growth as a character.

    Luke was also not really a "superhero" in the EU. There was always a team/ensemble effort in all of the books. In fact, Luke was often injured or they used some means of keeping him from using his Force gifts (like ysalimiri) in order to keep Luke from accomplishing all that much. That Luke was some kind of Force god in the EU is pretty much a myth really.

    And do you really know what George Lucas ever considered?

    Mark Hamill didn't really know that much about the ST. Lucas told him that Luke would pass the torch to a new generation, yes. But isn't that what starting a new Jedi Order would do? Luke would train the first generation of Jedi Knights who would go on to train others as well. It was never said that Luke would pass the knowledge just to a single student.


    I've read most of them. They were all pretty vague. And Mark really never knew all that much about what the sequel trilogy would be about. Even Lucas didn't have the story completely fleshed out back then. AND he may have totally changed what he originally planned way back in the 70's and 80's and 90's anyway. What we see next year may be totally different than what Lucas originally planned in his 9 film saga treatment.
     
  3. Hoggsquattle

    Hoggsquattle Jedi Master star 5

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    There may not even be a Jedi Order from now on.

    Maybe the Jedi will drop the institution and go back to basics - doing good deeds and helping the helpless, staying out of the politics unless they are really needed.

    More like the medieval knights and samurais they are based on - they have a code and each Jedi is trusted to do the right thing, they call other Knights when they need help or guidance.

    Luke would be their leader, but not commander or ruler. More for guidance and wisdom, not issuing orders.
     
  4. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Alright, but going by that logic, then it was Ben and Yoda who ACTUALLY started the beginning of building the new Jedi Order. Since they were the ones who trained Luke and all. Just saying... ;)
     
  5. ChildOfWinds

    ChildOfWinds Chosen One star 6

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    I'm expecting Luke to train more than one student. I'm hoping he'll train at least a couple of dozen. I'm also hoping that his "Order" will be somewhat different than Yoda and Obi-wan's was. I want him to allow families and to not take infants from families among other things.
     
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  6. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    I think you may be setting yourself up for a disappointment. I'm not saying he won't have trained anyone, but keeping expectations in check is very important.

    Now... back to discussing the kickass lady this thread is actually about.
     
  7. ChildOfWinds

    ChildOfWinds Chosen One star 6

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    You're right. This is Daisy's thread after all. I wouldn't mind seeing Daisy as Luke's daughter.

    I don't expect Luke to have trained a couple of dozen before Episode VII. I am hoping for a few. I'm hoping he will train a couple of dozen in his lifetime, as I'm hoping he will survive beyond Episode VII.
     
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  8. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    But that goes against Chwayatyun.
     
  9. Chained Prometheus

    Chained Prometheus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    When Daisy was first announced in the cast, I assumed she'd be a Solo daughter. Now I'm thinking it's a three way likelihood between being a Solo, a Skywalker or being completely unrelated. It'd be neat to see Daisy as Luke's daughter.
     
  10. Yanksfan

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    Wait, why are we still so convinced "Kira" will be an orphan? I thought we came to the conclusion that the "Rachel" description wasn't necessarily for her?

    In any event, I totally hate the idea of her being some "long-lost" child of Han and Leia. Either let her grow up with them, or make her completely unrelated. And just because it appears she starts off the movie out of their presence, doesn't mean they haven't had contact. How old is she supposed to be? Late teens/early 20s? Leia was already a senator and Rebellion leader at that age, surely her daughter would be capable of going off and doing her own thing at that age as well. It's not like she still has to "be home for curfew" at this point.

    I don't know. I still think she's their kid. She might not be revealed to be their kid until later in the movie, but I'm thinking that will be set up more as a surprise for the audience than a surprise for the characters. More like "Hey, dad" (audience: ha ha, omg!) While Han casually responds "Hey, kid…"
     
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  11. Knessa84

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    I feel like if Han Solo has a major role in this film and potentially dies, it makes more sense that "Kira" or another main protagonist is his child. Otherwise, it doesn't have the same impact, drama, emotion, etc.... It'll give her more motivation to defeat whatever it is that has taken her father from her.
     
  12. Victorian Time Traveler

    Victorian Time Traveler Jedi Master star 3

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    I really hope Daisy isn't Luke's daughter. I have a strong feeling that she's Solo's and Leia's kid...Ridley's father after all let slip that her character is half action hero half royalty.

    By the time Episode VII opens, I bet Luke will have trained only two students - Leia (somewhat), and his own son. There's the possibility that his son (played by Dom Gleeson) is very much the evil cyborg that is rumored to be obsessed with Dark Side power and bringing back his deceased mother. This is probably why Luke is in hiding...he probably feels he has failed as a teacher (and as a father) and would best serve the galaxy if he stayed away. Once Luke and Daisy meet, Daisy would convince Luke to train her, in the wake of Han's (and Chewie's) heroic self-sacrifice aboard the Falcon.
     
  13. MillionthVoice

    MillionthVoice Jedi Master star 3

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    From what I've seen of JJ's films (seen most of them, and I just rewatched both his Star Treks yesterday and today, home with the flu) this is precisely the kind of twist that he would like to use; that Daisy (or Kira, or whatever) is a Solo or Skywalker but this is hidden from us as viewers until its reveal can be played up a little.
    JJ seems to like his reveals, but IMO it's almost as if he wants them slightly lame. Like the Carol Marcus reveal in Into Darkness for instance. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we got something like that for Fawn Solo (or Kira Skywalker, or whoever she'll be).
     
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  14. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Been saying this for ages but the best reveal would be Luke facing up to a considerable threat and Kira ignites her lightsabre behind him...

    "Father, I can help..."
     
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  15. Knessa84

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    I guess I don't get the point of Luke having Kira as his daughter. Luke, as a jedi master, is a father figure anyway to anyone he trains. Much like Obi Wan and Yoda were like that for Luke. If Luke has any kids, I can only see Gleeson as his son.
     
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  16. ChildOfWinds

    ChildOfWinds Chosen One star 6

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    One of the things I like about it is that it would be somewhat unexpected. Almost everyone (including me) expects Daisy/Kira to be Han and Leia's daughter. I think it would be quite surprising (and a good rather than a terrible surprise like a cyborg Luke or cyborg Luke's kid would be) to find that she is actually Luke's child. This would also continue the main character in the saga from Grandfather to Father to Daughter.
     
  17. Hoggsquattle

    Hoggsquattle Jedi Master star 5

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    You do realise those are the only options? ;)

    It won't be a secret going into the movie - we will know by then.

    The cast will be doing lots of press events and interviews. They'll be pairing up up actors who interact in the film to get people interested in the chemistry of the characters, eg if Ridley, Fisher and Ford are family they'll appear on a chat show together, etc.
     
  18. starocean90

    starocean90 Chosen One star 8

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    she could be a Kenobi.[face_whistling]
     
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  19. Seeher

    Seeher Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Or the biggest twist of them all (at least to those of us on these boards) Fawn could be just a orphan who lives in AT-AT and is related to no one. :D
     
  20. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Chances of that being the case?


    Slim, very slim.
     
  21. Hoggsquattle

    Hoggsquattle Jedi Master star 5

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    Where did that name come from?

    There is a better chance of flying through the Five Fire Rings of Fornax than that name being used in Star Wars, let alone for a main character.
     
  22. starocean90

    starocean90 Chosen One star 8

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    http://makingstarwars.net/2014/09/s...raband-ridley-code-names-kenobi-film-x-wings/
     
  23. Seeher

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  24. Hoggsquattle

    Hoggsquattle Jedi Master star 5

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    No it doesn't - the Code is one Padawan at a time. Not in a lifetime.

    Besides, those ways are out the window.

    I think there will be a few trained Jedi - but not many. Less than a dozen but most, if any, will not appear in Episode VII - the situation will be made clear though.

    There is a 30 to 35 year old Jedi though - Liam "Spartacus" McIntrye said that was the role he auditioned for.

    Seems to have gone to Gleeson, Issac or Driver.

    Seeher

    starocean90

    Like I said - not a chance.

    Laters.
     
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  25. Knessa84

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    Yeah, ummm, has anyone googled Fawn Solo? I have to see if any more info could come up other than the rumor of the name being in the first treatment or script. You get blasted with porn links to an Ariel Piper Fawn Solo. And, of course, pictures of little deer by themselves.
     
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