ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in the ST

For a lot of people he remains a role model because of TLJ. Star Wars takes human drama and violence and conflict further but a ton of veterans and parents and mentors can relate to losing their temper, or making a mistake, and suffering concequences and regret. They would have destroyed Luke if he never realized the mistake and the purgatory he’d created for himself and didn’t give everything in his power, without a functioning ship, to return, atone for his mistakes, save the people who will help win the war, become the type of person Rey knew was still there, and inspire the public.

Beautiful arc that adds complexity to Luke and the issues that came from the Skywalker family hiding from their past instead of embracing it to teach the future how to avoid Anakin’s mistakes.

EDIT: Rey’s role model status will be decided by how her arc ends.

 

For many it's in spite of TLJ.

Which doesn't happen to Rey which is the problem.

Rey didn't know that or participate in that.

The galaxy wasn't inspired by Luke before so why now?

Just because the movie says so. Then show how his quitting deflated the galaxy in the first place and his return inspired them. Instead we are told he was always a legend that never faded in the first place.

No Luke is a coward and quitter as per TLJ. What he did was desperation and useless overall since it's about Rey not the Resistance.

 

All of the Skywalkers quit on the Jedi at some point. Luke’s just the first strong enough to stay away while he sorted out his dark side issues and smart enough to not allow himself to be played for a fool the way Anakin was.

Part of the reason I think Rey is intrigued by Ben is because of the aspects of Ben that come from the Amidala and Solo side of the family line.

Ben Solo has done more than Anakin did at a younger age and outsmarted his master. He’s now the leader of a movement, is still more man than machine, and has a woman with Padme’s beauty and the most raw power seen in a Star Wars film since Anakin himself interested in him.

If he decides to help take the FO down alongside his love, Rey, and they combine forces and unite and possibly form a relationship toward the end of IX that could lead to children those kids could be incredible. Heck, maybe they’ll even give the Jacen and Jaina storyline to their kids and make that episode X-XII in the future?

 

I said he has her interested in him. If she wasn’t one would think she would have killed him when she went to pick up the other part of the saber.

If they do end up together somehow then it’s obviously going to have to be that he comes back to the Light and helps and because she ends up liking him.

It could be that it’s Ben Solo who is the one that’s reduced to the object in the end and the “breeding machine” in the EU. He is the one that’s already had the shimmering muscles and shirtless scene already afterall. It’s not like they had Rey dressed in Padme leather or had Rey’s shirt rip to show off her midriff, Padme-style. It’s Ben that seems to be the one being setup more as the sex object in a way.

 

Funny because my 5 year old little cousin doesn't have a care in the world for Rey. She loves Darth Vader.

 

Absolutely. He goes away to let Han die, the galaxy die and everyone else all because "I made a monster" and didn't clean up his own mess. Has to have a little girl who's all powerful do it for him.

 

So, he’s Yoda 2.0. Just in exile shorter and the one who found and stayed near the ancient Jedi texts (even though he eventually thought about burning them while there), rather than just hanging out at a swamp to die. Oh, and he was more active than Yoda and more beloved by the galaxy before his own end for coming back and helping to save the future heroes who will win IX.

TLJ Luke ———-> OT Yoda.

TLJ Luke’s shorter exile and reason ———> OT Yoda’s reason when he and Obi-Wan nearly defeated The Emperor and Vader by themselves.

Force projection act that inspires the galaxy ———-> lifting an X-Wing to inspire Luke.

Finding the ancient Jedi texts which now live on with Rey, and becoming what Rey hoped he’d be, ensuring the Jedi survival in a more worthy hero like Rey who chose her own path and didn’t become a Jedi just because her dad was one ————> Yoda telling Luke to sacrifice Leia and Han earlier in their lives.

 

It's not really cowardice though. More like trying to cause something better to rise - that's Rey. There's a certain amount of bravery in that type of faith in the Force.

 

I call that lazy on Luke's part. Don't do anything and let the Force do the work for you. It is cowardice as Luke has no desire to train Rey in any capacity. Not even train her as a better Jedi.

 

Well, as Rian said, he's proactively there to cause someone like Rey to rise.

Regarding Luke not wanting to train Rey - he believes, mistakenly, that he's making the right decision, therefore he's not being a coward.

I'll reply next in the Luke thread.

 

Some of the Reylo artwork out there is incredible. So many talented fans.

I was curious and just did a #Reylo image search.

 

Right! Plus, there were already dark siders IN the galaxy! Snoke, Kylo, and those other six lost students were on the loose causing havoc in the galaxy. Luke was the only light side force user available. Sitting around and doing nothing while the galaxy burns is actually a stupid plan, and Luke was never stupid. Since Luke caused the problem in the first place by failing as a teacher and being the catalyst for his nephew becoming Kylo Ren, it was Luke’s responsibly to do something about it. The fact that he ran off instead, IS cowardly. It was also cowardly in the first place to sneak into his sleeping nephew’s room with a lightsaber.

 

The movie should speak for itself. Rian Johnson shouldn't have to explain his film.

 

Well, that’s not proactive at all. Doing nothing is being passive.

And since Rey has now risen and the force seems to have brought her to Luke, doesn’t it make sense that he now teach her how to use those powers she has, even if he doesn’t share Jedi philosophy?

 

Moved to the Luke thread.

 

Exactly. Don't rely on interviews after the fact to fill in the gaps. Make it clear in the actual film. Because as it stands, it feels like Rey needed Luke to get out of her way if anything, and that he just quit.

Their dynamic was REALLY disappointing.

 

Luke IS initially structured as an immoveable object for Rey. She is the unstoppable Force meeting an immovable object but it’s largely a psychological meeting.

Her mission coming into TLJ is to get him to come back. If that’s easy there is no drama. So, what happens if he doesn’t want to return (for any reason)? How does she react to that rejection? We know she is pretty strong-willed herself so how long will she wait and what will Luke’s rejection tell us about Rey’s character as we get to know her more? Can she get him to work through the block that’s holding him back? What will Or, will she make matters worse by pushing, doubting and attacking him? What happens to their dynamic if Ben Solo is set on sabotaging the potential of their relationship before it begins? What happens if he can turn Rey’s hope and optimism toward himself?

The scenario isn’t the wish fullfilment some wanted but it mirror’s Johnson’s decision-making for not putting Finn and Poe together on a bromance journey. He’s not interested in low conflict happiness plots. Not for the darker middle chapter of a saga. Not for some interesting second acts within that middle chapter.

 

That's why this (more than likely) time jump for IX will be very much needed.

 

Yeah pretty much everything, including Rey, has been centered around Kylo and his choices. Luke is hung up on his failure with Kylo, and even his treatment of her is tied largely into guilt over Kylo. She matters very little to him herself.

Han's attitude was basically "yeah I kind of like you, but I'm more hung up on my son" with Rey being of secondary importance.

Leia was like "well we'll help her if we can, but I'm much more interested in destroying SKB, oh and Han dear concentrate on getting through to our son."

She means nothing to Snoke beyond being a sacrifice to increase Kylo's power (Kylo is who he's truly interested in).

She has had no interactions with Hux and Phasma at all.

She shared her first lines of dialogue with Poe at the very end of the SECOND movie.

Her entire story is centered around Kylo.

Etc.

Heck she doesn't get to interact with the other main heroes, besides Luke, until the very end of the film (at least Luke got to interact with Han and Leia on Hoth for the first third of the film or so in ESB), so she feels even more isolated.

And really, not giving her a set definable motive for being involved, unlike Luke and Anakin, also doesn't help.

 

How is it not cowardice? Lack of courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain.

This is what TLJ made Luke. On top of that what we don't see is how arrogant and prideful he became. Half his students including his own nephew turn to the Dark side without him even sensing it until it's too late.

As MH said even if the latter happened then Luke would figure out how to face it. He wouldn't run away without a plan or purpose and leave Leia, Han and the galaxy behind, quit being a Jedi and cut himself off from the Force.

He's not trying to cause something better to rise. There is nothing better than the Jedi and he knows this. This is the whole point of his OT journey. He already knows the Light doesn't die if the Jedi are gone so that is no self revelation. The Jedi are the only Force users dedicated to fight for the Light and balance the Force. Darkness is always rising because it's the easier path. Dark can be ascendant even if the Light doesn't "die"

He does nothing with Rey except give her some lessons as to why the Jedi should die. He never accepts her and never trains her. She is a born Jedi. It's a power that she has (Luke is wrong again) just like he was about "lifting rocks".

It seems that the will of the Force constructed Rey to be a Jedi because the line of the Chosen One, the Skywalkers, which balanced the Force after the Sith put it out of balance are to be destroyed themselves.

It seems the Light side of the Force has taken a hand and Rey is a reaction to Anakin who had choice to be good or evil. Rey has no choice at all and she is only good. It also seems that Ben has no choice and he is only evil.

So it's possible that what we are seeing is a re-framing of the Force which was previously the Force and the Dark side of the Force to a very specific Light side and Dark side with possibly some sort of guiding intelligences of each who are in an eternal war.

Certainly that fits with Rey being Light and Ren being Dark.

 

Also I really dislike this idea that the ST seems to be pushing of "don't work for anything, don't try and be pro-active for yourself. Just sit on your butt and hope that The Force does all the work for you because that's all that matter now." It makes things so much less interesting and the characters both less interesting and less sympathetic.

Also the fact that Rian couldn't even properly convey that in the film itself and had to "clarify" in an interview doesn't help matters.

 

Same bro.

I said exactly this few pages back.

So i am not alone.