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Darth Maul could have ended the entire SW Saga

Discussion in 'The Phantom Menace' started by NateTheGreat, Jul 29, 2003.

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  1. NateTheGreat

    NateTheGreat Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If Maul had killed both Jinn and Kenobi, the SW saga would have never unfolded. Luke would have never come across the droids and would have continued to be a farmer on Tatooine and then off to the Academy. Anakin may have gone to the Dark Side more easily if Maul snatched him up and brought him to Sidious. Vader and Palp could have ruled the Galaxy forever. Would Vader have pursued his offspring in the end?

    Thoughts???
     
  2. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    I think that if Obi-Wan were dead, that pretty much would have ended the whole thing. I doubt the council would have pushed for Anakin to be trained.

    [hl=firebrick]-sj loves kevin spacey[/hl]
     
  3. Mr_Sith2

    Mr_Sith2 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The Saga deserved to go on!! Stupid Darth "I'll just stand there and get cut in half"Maul died, without even trying to block Obi. :(

    He was my Fav Sith.
     
  4. Esperanza_Nueva

    Esperanza_Nueva Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    OMG! and if R2 hadnt fixed the ship Amidala, Jinn, and Kenobi would all be dead and the saga would never happen!!!!! OMG! it's like the storyline was pre-conceived or somethin!!!!! [face_shocked]


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  5. SSD_Lusyanka

    SSD_Lusyanka Jedi Youngling star 1

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  6. Anakin_Kenobi21

    Anakin_Kenobi21 Jedi Youngling

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    Actually, R2 is the key to the whole saga; without him, there would be no prequels, because there would be no Ep. IV - VI.


    In TPM, he saves Amidala's ship, which gives them the chance to land on Tatooine, find Anakin, and bring him to get trained. He also aided Anakin by taking off the Auto-Pilot off of his N-1, which "was gonna get them both killed"

    In AOTC, he did quaint things like serve drinks or relay messages( one message, from Obi-Wan, was real useful), but the big thing was in the Droid Foundry, where he saved Padme. Without her, no Luke/Leia, and Anakin would've probably went over near the dark side because of her death.

    Not to mention the countless times he aids and assists Luke, Han, Leia, etc. in the OT.

    Who knows what he'll do in Ep.III? I'd retitle the thread to "R2-D2 could have ended the entire SW Saga", which is more accurate.
     
  7. Jedi_Master201

    Jedi_Master201 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Actually, without Sidious, the Star Wars Saga couldn't happen, because he contacted the Neimoidians and got them to bring in Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.


    And without Sidious's master, Sidious wouldn't have been trained, so he's the key. No wait, it was HIS master. Or wait, it might be whoever formed the Trade Federation. Or was it the person who formed the Republic? ;)

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    Point is, it's all interwoven. Every action of every being in the galaxy ties into it all.
     
  8. NateTheGreat

    NateTheGreat Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Technically, it was those Trade Federation laser blasts in outer space that crippled the Queen's ship which made them emergency stop on Tatooine. Anakin would have never been discovered. And yes, R2 being blown off the ship would have ended everything right there. Sidious and Maul would have taken over the galaxy.
     
  9. Darth-Dispicable

    Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master star 4

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    If we are using hypotheticals, then without Jar Jar their could have been no OT. [face_shocked]

    If it was not for him reuniting the Naboo and Gungans then Amidala would have most likely died and the twins (especially Luke) would never been around to redeem Vader.

    Just a crazy thought.
     
  10. Cometgreen

    Cometgreen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    You can do this for any movie. If Bilbo hadn't taken the ring in Gollum's cave, there would be no LOTR. If the Terminator got to Sarah Connor first in the original, there would be no Terminator trilogy.

    What exactly was the point you were trying to make?

    "OMG! it's like the storyline was pre-conceived or somethin!!!!!"

    LOL. It's like there this was this chubby bearded guy who sat down at his desk and plotted every single action these characters make! OMG!

    Cometgreen, who suggests NateTheGreat to watch Run Lola Run
     
  11. Darth-Dispicable

    Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master star 4

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    LOL. It's like there this was this chubby bearded guy who sat down at his desk and plotted every single action these characters make! OMG!

    [face_laugh]
     
  12. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Regardless of the fact that he lost, Maul is probably still to be regarded as one of the greatest Sith in history. After all, he was the one choosen worthy to reveal the entire order to the Jedi once more. That's a tremendous responsibility/honor.

    In more general terms, there are three ways to look at this. One is would the story be exactly the same, the other is would the story be roughly the same, and the third is whether there would still be a story. To approach one, obviously not. But I wouldn't necessarily say so to approach two. It might've been a bit different, but still roughly the same. That is, Maul could've conceived of overthrowing his master, picked up Anakin (whom he would sense the power of) and begin training him as a Sith. He could kill the Emperor. Windu could learn of it, and he could go out and try to stop Anakin before he does something truly evil. Anakin is defeated and turns into Vader, Windu equals Kenobi, Maul is Sidious, while Vader and Yoda keep their original roles and it turns out that clones of Sifo-Dyas are the "New Hope" of the galaxy. So you see, the storyline would still be preserved in its most basic forms, but things could shift around a bit.

    Finally, while we could go backwards in time all day with "if so and so hadn't done thus and such" it doesn't really serve any purpose. To determine the responsible party, we find the incitors of the tale. That is, in the story, someone acts first, then the other side reacts, and the rest of the story is just a continutation of this reaction chain. In the case of SW, it is the Sith who act (by choosing to reveal themselves), while the Jedi react. Thus, the Sith are indeed responsible for the SW Saga. And even though Palpatine came up with all the plans, arguably, Maul is the most responsible party, as he actually carried them out.

    So yes, Maul can be considered the cause of the SW Saga in a way that other character's in the saga can't be.
     
  13. Rogue_1

    Rogue_1 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Good point. But since Obi-Wan is in A New Hope, he couldn't die.
     
  14. Atticus

    Atticus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    We could also say the midiclorians could have ended the whole saga, if the Midiclorians didn't exist than Anakin wouldn't exist. Then the galaxy would be a much better place, because the Jedi are still alive, and they wouldn't have to put up with Anakin's and later, Luke's whining.
     
  15. KosmicKnine

    KosmicKnine Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The galaxy would not have been a much better place because Sidious would still have carried out his plans of domination with just slight adjustments.
     
  16. Delphium

    Delphium Jedi Master star 1

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    Other ways the saga could have ended..

    TPM - QuiGon "Anakin, Drop!"
    Anakin "huh?"

    AOTC - ObiWan jumps out Padme's window but misses the droid..

    :D
     
  17. JAKEFETT

    JAKEFETT Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I think it was Gardula the hutt that could have ended the saga :eek: :eek:
     
  18. CeeJay

    CeeJay Jedi Youngling star 4

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    What if the TF Battledroids were actually good shots and all fired at exactly the same time at a different part of the Jedis bodies?
     
  19. ultimatejedi90

    ultimatejedi90 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    he coulding have ended the saga by running over Anakin with his speeder he could've killed him by bonking hiom on the head

    Qui-Gon: Anakin drop drop Anakin Drop

    Darth Maul bonks Anakin on the head knocking him down.

    Qui-Gon runs up to Anakin

    Qui-Gon: Anakin why didn't you drop

    Anakin: Sorry sir I have ADD.
     
  20. Darthoffski

    Darthoffski Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Maul's death is the reason for the saga. Sidious had his powerful apprentice. But his death meant Sidious had to find another. So to anyone bemoaning the death of Maul in the first film and wishing he'd got more to do later, now you know the score.

    Maul was clued in on what Sidious was up to (which is why he said 'at last we shall have revenge') and Sidious was all ready to go, and had manipulated events to cause a conflict. Mauls death ruined everything. So Sidious simply repeated the process, using the rresults of his last attempt to operate on an even bigger scale.

    So, Maul wasn't wasted as a character. He was fully formed. Unfortunately for him, his overconfidence allowed Kenobi an opening. Anakin, or no Anakin, the Jedi were always going down. With Maul's help, or with Vader's, it would have made no difference to Sidious.

    And his death of course foreshadows the death of his master.
     
  21. JAKEFETT

    JAKEFETT Jedi Youngling star 2

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    "Maul's death was the reason for the saga"


    What about Count Dooku?
     
  22. Darthoffski

    Darthoffski Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Dooku is just who sidious is using until Anakin is ready, and palp/sid is watching anakin's career with great interest. Sidious considers his apprentices disposable. If he could have purged the jedi with maul, he would have. Until Anakin is ready, Dooku will do, if Anakin is never ready, Dooku will still do. My reasoning? Later he will be very quick to urge Luke to 'take your fathers place at my side'.

    The master does not care who does his dirty work. And if someone better comes along, his current apprentice is toast. If Maul hadn't died, the purge would've begun with the attack on QGJ and OBK. Revenge is sidious' primary goal. Bringing down the republic is just the means to that end.

    People originally complained about how 'boring' the idea of a trade dispute was. but, mark my words, THE ONLY REASON THAT WAS HAPPENING WAS SO THAT SIDIOUS/PALPATINE COULD DRAW THE JEDI INTO COMBAT. MAUL NEVER WENT AFTER THE QUEEN OF NABOO AT ALL, HIS PURPOSE WAS TO TRACK DOWN, FIND, AND KILL JEDI. THE THREAT TO AMIDALA AND HER PLANET WAS ALWAYS JUST A SMOKESCREEN. SIDIOUS HAS HIS GOAL EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST FALLOUT. THE STAR WARS ARE FOUGHT ENTIRELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF ONE MAN'S DESIRE FOR REVENGE ON THE JEDI.
     
  23. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I guess this means we should thank Padme's parents. Without them, etc etc.
     
  24. Oakessteve

    Oakessteve Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And if the ape that would eventually evolve into the family that Obi-Wan belongs too, we'd have no Saga, either. Goodness! :eek:
     
  25. Darthoffski

    Darthoffski Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Oh, sorry, I'm such a fool. I must have missed all those posts suggesting maul was more than just a fall guy, he was actually being unleashed on the jedi to kill them all.

    That's within the film, by the way, the angry, hate filled, murderous destiny for anakin. Mistaken by many for 'cool bad guy with too little screen time'.
     
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