Comics A/V Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir #1-4

You pose an interesting question, we see the green spirit ichor mist, which is the basis for Nightsister power transforming objects and individuals; and we see the same being taken from beings on Bardotta by the cult, in order to give to the Great Mother (Talzin). Its possible that the living Force and spirit ichor are one in the same. Just as magicks and Force powers can be seen as one in the same. So is the essence of the living Force the combined souls / energy of all the individuals that make up the cosmic Force? Its possible. Perhaps the soul is similar to a Force Ghost though, in the sense that it retains individuality. When that ghost ceases to manifest, perhaps it transitions into pure living Force and adds to the overall cosmic Force...

 

According to Filoni, Lucas said that the Nightsisters' magicks and the Force are unrelated concepts. That's never outright stated onscreen though, so my own headcanon is that they're different facets of the same mystery.

 

Where did Filoni say that?

 

Weekly Forcecast, week of April 15, 2011. The discussion starts at about 19:03 minutes in.

Filoni himself personally believes that there is a connection there somewhere, so I think he left it kind of open to interpretation.

 

Interesting... I learn something every day.

 

I don't recall that, as a matter of fact a Starwars.com article says completely the opposite. "The Nightsisters still live on Dathomir and they still possess mysterious Force skills, now called magicks." The magicks they use are derived from spirit ichor, which is part of the Force. They've fumbled this area a number of times though, its a bit of a mystery to LFL as well apparently, lol.

 

You can listen to Filoni himself talk about it in the podcast I posted above.

 

I probably heard it when it was originally released, as I used to listen to that podcast when CW was on the air. Its not that I don't believe that you heard that, its simply that things may have evolved in the years since. Likewise, much about Dathomir is rather convoluted, as we'll have multiple LFL sources saying different things about the planet and its culture. Perhaps it will rest in mystery, unless a tv show, movie, etc clearly defines everything. I have a feeling that Dathomir and Mortis will remain mysterious and unanswered though.

 

Or maybe starwars.com didn't communicate with GL and it's as simple as that.

 

If you see the Mortis Monolith as some sort of ancient Force Temple (a la the Illum temple in TCW, the Temple on Lothal in Rebels, and the Dagobah cave temple in ESB), and everything happening within as a sort of communal and self-reinforcing ritual/Cave Vision (which didn't necessarily need the Father, Son or Daughter to represent actual historical personages any more than just being mythical symbols) there's not really too much left to 'answer', apart from some of the intended meaning of the symbolism - which is likely left intentionally up in the air.

 

Well George does not matter anymore

So...

 

unless Story Group allows George to matter

 

Hey now - George will always matter, he is the creator of the SW universe, but now there are many other writers in the mix and his views might be altered or evolving.

I personally believe that everything is connected - Mortis, Sith, Jedi, Nightsisters - all their knowledge and power is derived from the same thing - the Force. The CW helped show us that there are many mediums in using the Force.

 

Mother_Talzin I want a Talzin novel explaining her motives, plans, and her history with Sidious.

 

Where we learn her first name is Sheevette...

 

Hmm. It would be interesting if Dooku helped Talzin before she met Sidious or afterwards, telling her that together they could topple Sidious.

 

or that her name is Talzin Opress

I wonder how old Talzin is. Was she around in Darth Bane's day?

 

I was hoping there would be a connection between Mother Talzin and Mortis. Considering her voice effect, the missing Mortis family member, and how powerful Talzin is, it made a lot of sense to me and seemed like a cool way to tie together my 2 favorite Clone Wars stories. Maybe sometime down the line?

 

I liked the EU's take on the deities of the Nightsisters (in Book of Sith)- The Fanged God and the Winged Goddess - which look identical to the "beast forms" of the Son and Daughter.

Book of Sith blended EU content and TCW very well IMO.

 

Well, she was considered the Great Mother to at least one cult, and was followed by Nightsisters and Nightbrothers, so perhaps she is close to deity level. Were she the Mother in the Mortis family structure, it would be a great twist in the understanding of Force sensitive beings. The Father and Daughter leaned to the light side, while the Son focused on the dark. If balance exists, that would have the Mother as a practitioner of the darkside as well...

 

I was thinking that too. Mortis also has green mist and Son and Maul have the same voice actor. Is it really a coincidence that Father summoned Anakin right after Savage Opress entered the picture?

 

I never noticed that, good thinking!

 

I would've loved it if it had turned out Talzin was the Mortis Mother after the release of Apocalypse, but before the Legends announcement. Because then they would've had to scrabble to retcon Talzin into being some kind of avatar for Abeloth, or Abeloth was actually Talzin all along, or something. It would've been hilarious and terrible.

 

Thanks!

In the season 3 days my mind was full of possibilities. Could Son be connected to Darth Ruin? Was Maul under the same spell in TPM that Savage is put under at the end of "Monster"? Is Talzin with or against Sidious?

 

I don't think so because A. Maul is Talzins Son B Maul is not all bulky like Savage.