"Darth," Overused?

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  1. severian28 Force Ghost

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    "................now I am the Master"
    "Only a master of evil, Darth"

    It was intended to be his name but when the phenomenon
    set it I imagine a great many things changed - which isnt a bad thing. GL probably reconsidered the meaning of the word/name "Darth" as early as the conceptual stages of ESB. Thats early enough for me to not care about the blip. It works better as a title, anyway.

    Master Skywalker:Darth Vader.
    Same Sh@#, Different Morals.
    Overused, definetly not.

  2. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Something to add, as I've just noticed it.

    The Annotated Screenplays have Obi-wan calling Anakin "Darth" twice...
    Vader: When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.

    Ben: Only a master of evil, Darth.
    Ben: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine./>


    was his first name, as it was in all the prewrites prior. It came a Sith title afterwards, hence the acronym theory is bogus./>
  3. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    Exactly.
    Also, what about When he is referred to (out of universe) by Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader? Or Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith?
    'Acronym' spelled out would be Dark Lord of the Sith Dark Lord of the Sith Vader.
    Georgy boy can be sloppy at times, what with wishing wishfuly wished wishes away, but that... oh sweet God no [face_laugh]
    Darth in and of itself is a 'title'. More akin to 'Brother' or 'Father' as in religeous arenas as opposed to, say, 'General'. In that sense, 'Lord' would be the official title for 'Brother' Vader of the Sith.
    Hmmm make sense?
  4. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    Now you're just trying to get on my good side.... [face_plain]







    :p
  5. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    That's impossible.
    Everyone knows bashers have no good side.

    ;)
  6. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    You've not seen me defend Lucas in 3SA. ;)
  7. Durwood Jedi Grand Master

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    "................now I am the Master"
    "Only a master of evil, Darth"

    It was intended to be his name


    Possibly, but imagine a contemporary war movie with the following dialogue: "Only a master of evil, General." See? It still works.
  8. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    Well yes, it does still work. That's what I argued in my post. However, it was still obviously a name at one point.
    For another contemporary reference, take LotR. Remove any instance where it says 'My name is Sam' 'His name is Sam' etc, then have Jackson or Tolkien later on say 'Sam' is a title and even that would work.
  9. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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  10. severian28 Force Ghost

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    It could be used that way Durwood but given the history of Kenobi and Vader I dont think it was. However if he was goading him with sarcasm then calling him Darth could be seen as an angry acceptance of the abomination that his close friend has become. I watched SW last night because of this thread and there is look of awe/horror from Kenobi when he sees Vader for the first time in many years.
  11. SHB-JR Jedi Master

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    Nah, too much of a reach! ^^^^^ Ben says Darth 'twice' in a real first name mocking way. Darth was his name.
    Only in the PT era did it as many have said become a title.

    I hate retro- continuity !!!!!

    Over used ? I don't really mind it, but refuse to allow people to get away with saying it was 'always' a title. SW has undergone slow evolution like any good idea.
    It wasn't a compleate 'holy revelation' as some try to make out :)

    SHB JR
  12. EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost

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    obi wan had no experience with sith lords names until vader....he fought maul and dooku, but neither one called themselves "darth"...it's a title, not a first name


    All the sith lords after darth bane have the title darth, as a sign of respect for how bane saved the sith order
  13. Kyle-Katarn_wannabe Jedi Knight

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    Question: If Darth is a title for the sith lords then do the Jedi have titles as well?
  14. ObiwanJohn Jedi Master

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    They sure do. Knight, Padawan, Master.
  15. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    "Master" and apprentice - the Sith are an offshoot of the Jedi. In fact, even the Jedi have a "Rule of Two", being that a Jedi Master can only have one apprentice at a time. This was made clear in TPM.
  16. anthonymaul Jedi Master

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    No way,we need more
    Darth.
  17. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    The Jedi should have treated their padawans like college students. Pack em like sardines in a stadium-sized classroom.
    Anakin has issues as it is. Could you imagine him in a setting like that and feeling neglected? :D
    Also on a seperate note. We did luck out. He could've decided 'Vader' should be a title. Now that would've caused continuity problems ;)
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