Speculation Darth Plagueis in ST

Please no Darth Plagueis

Or Darth badmanian

Or Darth Malevolent

Or Darth Killfoolsian

Just a regular evil sci-name please.

The second

Ok... Check back later. I don't carry the novel in my hip pocket. I will transcribe the material I'm referencing...

LOL!!!

Ya, I almost actually sifted through the audiobook because of this guy's BS surrounding the same topic...then I realized I'd rather drink whiskey out of the toilet and snort AJAX.

"Darth Plagueis", by James Luceno. Paperback Edition. Page 346 Paragraph 5, "Still in safekeeping on Aborah were texts and holocrons that recounted the deeds and abilities of Sith Masters who, so it was said and written, had been able to summon wind or rain or fracture the skies with conjured lightening. In their own words or those of their disciples, a few Dark Lords claimed to have the ability to fly, become invisible, or transport themselves through space and time."

This is one of the personal turning points that made me consider Plagueis as a legit villain in the ST.

I admit, upon further research, it wasn't Venamis' mind, but his organs that were shutting down upon repeat resurrections. Thus furthering the point that the "trick" does have limitations.

Silly question here, but I didn't read the book:

When Plageuis dies in the book, is there any mention of what happens to his body?

"And sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town. And now dead. Or was he?

Wary of approaching the corpse of his former Master, he called on the Force to roll the aged Muun over onto his back. From that angle Plagueis looked almost as he had when Sidious first met him, decades earlier: smooth, hairless cranium; humped nose, with its bridge flattened as if from a shock-ball blow and its sharp tip pressed almost to his upper lip; jutting lower jaw; sunken eye still brimming with menace-- a physical characteristic rarely encountered in a Muun.

On closer inspection, he saw that Plagueis's already cyanotic flesh was smoothing out, his features relaxing. "

That is every line from the short prologue (narrated by Palpatine) that describes Plagueis after he was killed. It doesn't say what Palpatine might have done to his body afterwards, or if he did anything. He probably left his corpse to be discovered.

So basically his body was left pretty well intact. The prologue is pretty interesting. As you can see, Palpatine doubted himself whether he had really taken Plagueis down. But upon further inspection, he assures himself that he's dead.

Death T's right. Palpatine left the body there in the apartment. He indicated people would discover that "Hego Damask" (Plagueis' alter ego) had died due to his respirator malfunctioning. Palpatine tells Plagueis' droid 114D it needed to get a new body and a new home. Very fast. Very ambiguous.

This still stops short of really confirming any of it; we only know that these things were claimed to be true, sometimes by "disciples" rather than the individuals in question. We've seen in texts by other authors that there is some skepticism in the later years regarding the mythical deeds ascribed to ancient Sith.

Ummm... The confirmation here is that I backed up a statement, an evidence of my thought process on Plagueis potentially appearing in the ST, by an actual quote from the book. A point that was scoffed at by yourself as an embellishment. You seem to jump around between the valley of canon - Film, EU, Both, Film and Cherry Picked EU, so it's rather difficult to have a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas when one is not convinced himself what ground he stands on. Do we really want to venture far off into the EU jungle? Because I guarantee you won't like what I dig up. Better yet, next time you disagree please feel free to share your reference material with the rest of us so that we too can decide whether or not such reference material is worthy of debate.

Confirmation of truth? This is a tale of fiction. Did Alice really tumble down the rabbit hole? Did Dorothy really travel to Oz, or was it all just a lucid dream?

A sound argument can be made that many plot points of the Darth Plagueis novel remain ambiguous and vague. It's my opinion that the novel was purposely constructed in such manner for reasons yet to be revealed.

And BTW, Lucas does say Anakin destroying the Sith brings balance to the Force. I won't tell you where. You'll have to look that one up yourself. Or better yet, perhaps you could post your reference material that delivers a truly definitive answer to this ever evolving concept?

The story changed along the way. It went from "some Sith lords had the ability to do" to a situation where we only know for certain that some disciples may have claimed that a Sith once had the ability.

Whatever you think the author is telling you about the abilities of the ancient Sith, in the context of the wider EU there may be difference of opinion on the subject.

No way! She used Fold Space about halfway down. I once heard a tale that said Alices could do that.

This is gonna be a tough one.

Nice kiddie cartoon. Still waiting for that balance rebuttal...

If Plagueis never actually died, he'd be pretty old. Personal preference and opinion, but I don't particularly find older villains (such as Dooku or Palp) very menacing. They don't really portray strength to me, more like frailty.

Now if he could have transported himself though space and time and comes back as a young Plagueis, I could live with that. Although, abilities like that (and others that the EU authors liked to grant the force users) are a little.... out there, to say the least. Like shark-jumping 'out there.'

Shark jumping, that's how I see all this Plagueis talk

I guess an Amon Goeth type guy would do (as a Empire General working under a Sith or in a completely separate context). A person you could hate for simply existing.

Ralph Fiennes... yes please... in any role... as anything... make it happen...!!!

Dude, which Palpatine have you been watching? The guy was an epic villian, the saving grace of the prequels. Yoda was what? 900 years old?

I thought Plagus got bumped off? Bringing him back would lessen the impact of Palpatine.

The thing about the alleged ability to travel in time is that we conveniently haven't seen such time travelers pop up in any of the eras covered by existing canon. Even if an ancient Sith had disappeared one day and was said to have traveled to a different time, there's no record of their arrival anywhere.

Fold Space is another issue and related to the Aing-Tii.

He's dead as a doornail as far as I'm concerned. And I think they choose to leave it that way.

If all you guys think Plagueis was able to cheat his supposed death, then it's possible Sidious learned how, too. I for one want neither, but if I were to choose which, I would say the former — mainly because he's never be seen before.

I contacted my source at LFL and asked if Plagueis would be in the ST. Got the following reply...

I'm not sure why people are knocking plagus, I myself am not by no means a pro plagus guy, but Star Wars is sci-fi/fiction if you don't see a body, they are probably not dead.

And I know as I've read all this, some with the sith are destroyed mentality are probably going to cry, but you don't see Palpatine's body or old Plagusy

I'm for any decent villain, I don't mind if there are sith or not. But I'd be willing to bet there will be. And the toys would sell very well.
As much as the haters hate it Plagus is probably the most logical villain or Palpatine. As I've already said you see neither of corpse in any film, therefore reserecrtion isn't needed. No where in ROTJ does it say the sith have been destroyed. It's assumed the emporer is dead, and maybe the rule of two had already bern broken by that point?

Anyway. You can accept men with majical force power, immortal force ghosts, a majical force man that's a cyborg, an admiral that's a giant fish, a superweapon that has the power to blow up a planet, etc but reserecrtion of a might be dead character is too far and destroys the (ever evolving) Star Wars universe.

Again I don't care either way. Just saying.