Lit Darth Plagueis: Naat Lare: A good choice as a Sith-apprentice?

After reading James Luceno's Darth Plagueis, I'm wondering what Sith-Concept or interpretation of the Grand Plan of the Sith Darth Venamis really had in mind, choosing Naat Lare. At the first glance I thought he just took what he could get as a possible choice. But why choosing someone like Naat Lare who just was handed over to an asylum for criminal insane?

I mean, Naat Lare spent five years at that clinic at Bedlam without Venamis even to be seen around his apprentice. What did Venamis do in that time? And how does any of both Venamis or Plagueis expect Naat Lare, armed with a vibro-blade only to even fight not to think about to defeat two lightsaber-wielding Jedi?

When thinking of the young Palpatine I also see some sociopath tendencies of him before Plagueis taught him to control and to convert his impulses into something higher.

So, do you think with more training and more guidance Naat Lare could have become just like Darth Sidious, for it was stated that he was very intelligent too?

But when I look on his other two apprentices I have the suspicion that Venamis was looking for several useful tools with clearly defined fields of work like the Shi'ido (Clawdite) to make some "fundraising" in the Hutt-owned gambling-casinos, while the Iktotchi is gaining some foot-troops of supporters for her master while Naat Lare was supposed to make the work of a brute assassin like Maul did for Sidious later. And Venamis will tower over all that to be the mastermind. Could this be correct?

 

I would imagine you are right, he sees Lare as the hammer and himself as the scalpel - different tools for different situations and different jobs. Sometimes you just need a brute to do the dirty work and he saw a good prospect.

 

When I consider this then in the end, Venamis' view of the Sith-organization won. He is a kind of predecessor of Palpatine, who inofficially ended the Rule of the Two by employing in the empire many low-level-Sith at his service for multiple special tasks.

If Naat Lare would have survived that uneven duel in the swamp of Abraxin against all odds,
he could have become a formidable adversary of the Jedi later, given he finally would have got a lightsaber.

A really badass-Nautolan greatly missed in TCW or the SW-movies until now.

 

If Naat Lare learned to control himself and not go off the rails, he might have made a good assassin or Maul like character.

 

EXCUSE ME

 

Hi Kablob,

You really deem First-Aid-Kit to be a badass?

 

Big IF though - I don't recall it being stated definitively but from inference he sounded almost literally psychotic. It wasn't so much Venamis being the proto-Sidious as another example of the evolution of the Sith away from the old style Rule Of Two (and ONLY two) to the interpretation of two Sith (one master, one apprentice) and a network of lesser-trained/powerful lackeys for other work. Sidious took the same concept and basically turned it into state security in the form of Inquisitors, they have Dark Side powers and lack of inhibitions but none of that silly backstabbing nonsense.

 

Yeah Kit Fisto was so powerful that he managed to last a full ten seconds against Darth Sidious. That's five seconds more than Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin. Talk about a mighty Jedi Master




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Exactly! There's very few people in the galaxy who can last a full ten seconds against Palpatine!

 

He was too unstable.

 

While reading Darth Plagueis, I passed the first and the second candidate of Venamis being taken out and I didn't felt any regret after they were gone.

But after the killing of of Naat Lare I felt a kind of loss. I deemed him a missed opportunity. I wanted to stay him around just a little bit longer. The same feeling I had after seeing bisected Maul falling into the shaft, you understand, what I mean?

 

I have to disagree: When we first saw Naat Lare, I thought he might be skilled and powerful, perhaps be a useful tool for Plagueis. However, Naat Lare was a pathetic waste of character. He assaulted two Jedi with a vibroblade and was killed in seconds. With training and proper weapons, he might have amounted to something. But as it stands, he was a weak choice for a Sith Apprentice and he recieved the end that all weak Sith deserve as per their own doctrine. Naat Lare was struck down by Jedi Master Ni-Cada and his failure to provide even a minor challenge for a Jedi proves his lack of ability.

 

Exactly, but Naat Lare was denied both of it. Venamis didn't care about five years about him till he showed up to help him to get free from that clinic. I don't know what instructions Venamis gave to him after his setting free, but it doesn't look like he intended to put forward any kind of apprenticeship with him. Venamis neither gave him a lightsaber nor did he train him that way.

And Plagueis didn't seem to be to much interested in him either. I suppose Plagueis to have longed for Naat Lare's defeat and death. Otherwise he wouldn't had "expect" him to have a quite even fight with the Jedi. He could have taken him to train him and to arm him adequately. Instead Plagueis used Naat Lares obedience to Venamis to proclaim himself his new master demanding knowingly a mission impossible from him.

He haunted him on the Jedi that the Jedi might do the dirty work for Plagueis to kill off Naat Lare. Like Sidious later let do the Jedi some dirty work for him too. Because this gave Plagueis the chance to stay obscure in the shadows without having to do anything that could draw unwanted attention to him. And killing a wanted criminal in the presence of the Jedi would have cast unnecessary spotlight upon him.

 

It was a test for Naat. Kill or be killed. And he failed. Plagueis had no interest in a failure.

 

I only wished he got some proper training before such a test was imposed on him.

 

No. I only want the movies, the clone wars series and rebels as the official situation. All the other stuff, bye bye, and good riddance.

 

That means you also have to get rid of Naat Reath as well, and I'm not sure you want that.

 

That was not a test, that was an ordeal. If Plagueis would have been put in a similar situation in such an early stage of Sith-training, I bet he would have been taken by the blade of Ni-Cada too.

And BTW: I think Venamis was a lousy master: No sufficient presence, no proper training, no adequate weapons!

So to speak with Dooku to Ventress in S3 (witches of the mist): A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master!
Is it a mere coincidence that both Ventress and Venamis start with a big "V"? Surely not for 'Victory' this time .

 

Please, enlighten me as to when this became a canon debate. And your idea for star wars sounds BORING.

 

Venamis existed pretty much to show that the Rule Of Two had been pretty much supplanted as the default Sith method. Plagueis already had thoughts along the lines of each Sith 'cell' being Master and Apprentice (but accompanied by network of 'lesser' agents) but Tenebrous, his old Master, had already made plans along those lines anyway. Venamis was a 'test run', a proto-Sidious - he did the same sort of things that Plagueis took and improved on (and Sidious then took from him, and refined again) but unsuccessfully. Sidious wasn't a totally radical thinker in his new style, he just did it better than anyone else: Venamis wants a thug, he lets a psychotic lunatic run around; Sidious needs a thug, he raises Maul from birth. One fell to a knight without much hassle, the other has several knights and at least one Master on his record.

 

I still feel that this story have ended much to soon, missing any chance for Naat Lare for character developement or other interesting encounters. At least he has this thread now for commemoration .