Lit Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith #1-6: The Chosen One (5/6 Released)

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  1. Erkan12 Jedi Knight

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    I think this is better. If Vader recruited them without the Emperor's help, it would be seen as Vader's secret Sith apprentices.
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  2. Ithorians Jedi Knight

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    I´ll try to find the time of check that quote for you, but still I mostly agree with everything you said. From what I remember, Filoni pretty much said that the best ones were around her level (not above in any case) and that they would be able to deal with most Jedi that are still around during the Dark Times. I also remember him saying that, in case of finding someone of Obi-Wan´s level, they would call Vader and not face him/her directly.

    But what I was trying to imply earlier, is that the Sith are not running some sort of welfare from the kindness of their heart, something like "you were a Jedi, but now you want to serve us? come, all are welcome, you will have no skill and abilities and still we´ll give you a high rank within our Empire and no goals to accomplish with it. We just want you around" :D

    I think the GI and the others must get some victories in this comic, for us to understand why Kanan´s victory was a one time deal. Honestly, I´ve never saw Kanan as superior to any of the Inquisitors shown in Rebels. He went from complete underdog to being able to contend with them... and still, that same Kanan, but blinded, was able to beat Maul, so I don´t think we can rely so much on him defeating the GI to prove the latter is some kind of a weakling...

    A little quote I did find about him to support this:
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  3. Darth Marcia Jedi Youngling

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    I agree with both. The Inquisitors do rely on technology to compensate for lack of training (well, he Fifth Brother didn´t) but that´s lack of training compared to a Sith. Doesn´t mean they are not capable on their own, it´s just a matter of perspective, because Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, etc were meant to be extraordinary Jedi, not average ones
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    With average ones, I think the Inquisitors could deal without problems. Kanan did beat the GI only to be beaten in seconds, later, by 5th and 7th, so it´s not like he was far above them in any case.

    What I want to see now in the comic is some hunting of unremarkable jedi, to see some successes in the Inquisitorius side for a change. There must be at least a few, if they worked for so long in a sith ruled empire...
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  4. Vialco Jedi Grand Master

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    Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother double-teamed Kanan. Eighth Brother sucker-kicked him from behind while flying in. Note that soon after their fight became face-to-face Eighth Brother was left with a damaged lightsaber and an enemy that he knew was beyond him.
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  5. Darth Marcia Jedi Youngling

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    I see. I always felt they were betting the better of him regardless, and that the Eighth Brother tried to run because we know he didn´t feel up to the idea of facing 3 Jedi at the same time (can´t really blame him) much less go 1vs3 against Ahsoka, Kanan AND Maul.

    Anyway, I find very interesting that the inquisitors were up and running perhaps even before order 66. Is it possible that they had some participation in the Jedi Purge?
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  6. Ithorians Jedi Knight

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    That´s a surprising possibility!!! Before Vader #6, I would have never imagined that the Inquisitorius was already working by this time, but now, and knowing that they are in Coruscant, there are openings for that kind of story... it could work if some Jedi managed to escape the temple during the attack. Shaak Ti was said to have done just that in Legends at some point, and perhaps Jocasta Nu (and others) could have done it too in canon, but we will only know for sure in the next issues...
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  7. Shadowrain10 Jedi Youngling

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    I'm ready for some awesome team up issues between The Inquisitorius and Vader.
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  8. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    I think we'll just need to ignore some of the character shields and plot induced stupidity of the villains in Rebels. It's a kiddie show and imo a pretty dumb one to boot.

    The Inquisitors were weak and dumb in Rebels but that doesn't mean they can't be salvaged from the heap. They can still be shown as badasses and made into more interesting characters. There's some potential there that I hope will be realized by the authors dealing with them.
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  9. Vialco Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't understand where the Inquisitors are shown as bumbling oafs.

    Grand Inquisitor dominated Kanan in their first two fights. He encountered some serious resistance in their third duel because Kanan had been practicing hard. In their final fight, Grand Inquisitor was defeated due to a number of factors that went against him.

    Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother beat Ezra, Sabine and Zeb so easily that they were forced to run for their lives.

    In their next appearance they tag-teamed Kanan. Seventh Sister ragdolled Ezra with a gesture. Ahsoka had to show up and save the Ghost crew from certain defeat.

    In their third appearance, Kanan has to bullseye a blast door control to block their way, implying he knows he's no match for them both.

    In their fourth appearance, they beat Kanan and Ezra so hard that the Jedi are dangling from a cliff for dear life.

    Even on Malachor they're no pushovers. The Rebels required Maul's aid to match the Inquisitors. Remember that Maul and Ahsoka are on a higher level than any Inquisitor. Without Lady Tano and Lord Maul, Kanan and Ezra have little hope.

    There's a subtle moment in Shroud of Darkness where Kanan basically suggests hunting down the Inquisitors to Ahsoka. When she rejects the idea he doesn't pursue it further on his own. Because he knows that without Ahsoka's help they don't have a chance. Inquisitors are quite deadly when facing an average foe, such as a former Padawan or an half-trained teenager. They're not supposed to be facing greater enemies than that. When they come across Maul, they immediately call Vader because they know that this is a foe beyond them.


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  10. Rickleo123 Jedi Knight

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    And yet you couldn't answer one of my concerns? Thanks no thanks.
  11. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    The intent of my post wasn't to address your concerns. It was designed to poke fun at how seriously you decided to nitpick the issue and general aggressive tone, which you seem to have continued in your last post. The fact I even have to explain this is pretty demonstrative.
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  12. Vialco Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, since you did ask.

    1. There are very few Jedi left after the Purge. So few that Vader had to go looking for a Barash Taker to obtain his crystal. How would Yoda even find them? Remember that Palpatine knows that Yoda and Obi-Wan still live. Even as late as a few years before Yavin, Vader and Palpatine are on the lookout for any hint of those two. Any activity by Yoda to rally Jedi would have thousands of clones and Vader chasing after him.
    2. Vader serves to handle any powerful Jedi survivors. The best of the Inquisitors was beaten by a former Padawan. What chance would they have against Ahsoka, Obi-Wan or Yoda?
    3. Yes. That's exactly what they do because that's their purpose. If you think that those seven Inquisitors combined could actually take down Vader and Palpatine, then you should take a look at their feats. Vader beat the foremost Inquisitor without breaking a sweat. Even all seven of them combined wouldn't be enough to defeat him. They might injure him a fair bit, but the weakest of their number would fall very fast. Remember that Maul killed Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother in seconds.
    4. That's a good question. I would think that Palpatine simply gave them kybers taken from the Jedi Temple. The Republic military was experimenting with kybers during the Clone Wars as well, so there are multiple sources they could have obtained them from.
    5. Spinning lightsabers have been a thing since 2014. You're a bit late to the party there.
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  13. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    The Inquisitors in Rebels fell for every dumb trick the Rebels had in store and were often beaten by them as well. Only the GI was somewhat more powerful but even he couldn't accomplish his mission and was beaten by mediocre Jedi Kanan. So sorry, you won't convince me that they were badasses in the show.

    However, like I said, the show isn't everything.
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  14. TheNerdyOne_ Jedi Knight

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    What tricks did they fall for? And when were they beaten? It's been a while since I watched the first season so I may be forgetting some stuff with the Grand Inquisitor, but the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother were only ever beaten when Maul or Ahsoka were in the picture.
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  15. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    GI was soundly beaten by Kanan, who never received full training himself. Ahsoka, who's also just a former Jedi wannabe, defeated both the Inquisitors at the same time.
    As for being outwitted, in the first episode the new Inquisitors appeared they were outsmarted by the heroes.
    They give the impression of being lowly darkside pawns rather than a threat to a real Jedi.
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  16. La Calavera Jedi Master

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    Perhaps because of Rebels’ storytelling and characterization choices, but I got the strong impression that the Inquisitors are barely Jedi Knight level, and it’s going to be hard for me to change that impression of them.

    It would still be interesting to see a group of Inquisitors trying to catch/defeat a Jedi, or competing against each other for that goal. But preferably without Vader’s interfering. Because with Vader, the Inquisitors do feel like stormtrooper fodder.
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  17. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    ...after beating Kanan twice before.

    Ahsoka, who fought in a literal war, and has fough the Inquisitors before.
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  18. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    Hm, I think it's possible to change the impression through re-contextualization. Just like we except that the characters in the OT are powerful despite wonky special effects and less flashy choreography. If this comic keeps it's dark, serious tone it could be easier to accept the Inquisitors as proper threats. If we see one of them commit a truly heinous act it would help as well.
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  19. Daneira Jedi Knight

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    Ahsoka trained under Anakin and fought in many important battles in the Clone Wars. She probably would've been knighted if she didn't quit. She's no slouch during her duel with Vader. Just because she left the Jedi Order doesn't mean she's not a powerful force user.


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  20. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    I didn't say she was a slouch. But she's still a Jedi dropout despite all the poetry Filoni is waxing about her.

    And why all the defensiveness because I'm not impressed by a couple kiddie show villains? I'm sorry, but the way they were portrayed you'll never get me to ever take them seriously in that context.
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  21. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    People are being defensive because you're outright ignoring certain things to try and make your point.
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  22. spicer Jedi Master

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    I agree with Darth_Pevra on the inquisitors in Rebels. I am a huge fan of the show, but we don't have to pretend that it's more serious than it is. The inquisitors in Rebels are typical cartoon villains. I hope that this comic realizes its full potential by not dropping to the same level as the show just for consistency's sake.
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  23. MrDarth0 Jedi Knight

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    You obviously watched a very different show than me.

    GI defeated Kanan without any troubles twice before he was finally defeated by him, and only when Kanan had his Rey moment, when he thought Ezra is dead.

    Ahsoka is far from a Jedi wannabe. By the end of the Clone Wars she was pretty much one of the most powerful Force users out there and could go toe to toe with Maul.

    The trick they used against the Inquisitors in that episode was pretty smart and it was their only option how to survive. They knew they cannot defeat the Inquisitors in direct combat.

    Technically they are lowly Dark Side pawns, however they still are a real threat to most Jedi. I'm not sure you realize that most Jedi out there during the PT era are far from the power level of Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan or Anakin. In the movies and TCW, we always follow some of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, however the Jedi Order has around 10,000 members and most of them are far from the level of the likes of Obi-Wan and Anakin. For you average Joe Jedi, the Inquisitors are more than enough of a challenge.

    About the newest issue, like the art, however I'm not the biggest fan of the fact that the Inquisitorius already exists and has so many members this early after ROTS. And they all look the way they will look in 15-16 years. Hope there will be some real explanations about this in the series, otherwise its pretty lazy writing IMO.
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  24. Darth_Pevra Force Ghost

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    Haha, so that's now called a Rey moment. I don't want to be too dismissive, but what did he actually do to become this zen Jedi master? He had a certain tranquil expression and apparently that makes you into a powerful fighter (because The Force, the favourite crutch of SW writers). Every other week he was out of this league simply teaching one Ezra Bridger.
    And that's me talking. Kanan is the only character on the show I like, but c'mon, he's not exactly great Jedi material. Any Jedi hunter worth his salt should be able to take him down.

    Very Filoni too.
    Seriously, the only reason that Maul became so very weak and Ahsoka so very strong is Filoni's favoritism.

    Oh really? And why did they fail against the Ghost Crew so often when that's the case? They often fell prey to ludicrously cheap tricks. If you want to sell an idea, you need to put some sort of effort into it and Filoni failed to do that.

    I understand what Filoni attempted to present to us, but the execution of it was so bad that I can't take any of it seriously.
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  25. TheNerdyOne_ Jedi Knight

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    You keep saying that but are only willing to provide a single example. Up until Malachor, the Ghost crew was only ever able to barely escape with their lives from the Seventh Sister/Fifth Brother.
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