Darth Vader is NOT Obi-Wan's Fault.

The Blame, of course goes to Anakin himslef for turning... but there are other reasons. The Jedi council and the order itself was wrong the whole time. They never extended enough care, compassion, or recognition to Anakin. Obi-Wan although he got on to him once in a while they had an obvious friendship and Obi-Wan (especially in ROTS) talked up Anakin. I think the order was horrible and Anakinmade very poor choices, but the blame that Obi-Wan places on himself is pointless he did better than any other Jedi would have with Anakin. Had it not been for Obi-Wan, Anakin might have turned a lot sooner.

 

simply put...anakin was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

dkt

 

hmmm.... that's simple and interestig. Never really thought of it that way. Don't completely buy it cause' of him being the Chosen one, The Will of the Force, and all the other circumstances but it's certainly arguable.

 

It was Obi-wans fault. He said it himself.

This is what i dont understand about some poeple on these boards: Even though it is proven over and over again, even if it is said by the character in the movie, fans still find a way to go against it.

 

It's only natural for Obi-Wan to feel responsible. However, Anakin is still largely responsible for his own choices and actions. It's Anakin's fault. Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order have some responsibility as well.

 

Obi-Wan: "I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."

 

It's only natural for Obi-Wan to feel responsible. However, Anakin is still largely responsible for his own choices and actions. It's Anakin's fault. Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order have some responsibility as well.

 

Its a little like the common mistake people make today of blaming EVERYTHING on a person's upbringing or parents when they screw up. While a person's experiences and those who "raise" them play a prominent role in their lives, ultimately they choose their own path...just like Anakin did. Its natural for Obi Wan to feel responsible, just like a parent would if their kid turned to drugs or crime, but several things played into Anakin's "transformation" into Vader. Perhaps if Obi Wan had not "coincidentally" been sent away from Coruscant (along with Yoda) during such a confusing and chaotic period in Anakin's life, Vader would never have happened (but then again neither would have Star Wars, so if it is Obi Wan's fault, I say thank you General Kenobi).

 

"It was Obi-wans fault. He said it himself. "

That's the typical reaction I would expect from a master/trainer. In light of what Pauli said, I would expect a parent to fully blame themselves when something happns to their kid.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily their fault.

Of all the Jedi, I wouldn't put Obi at the top of the blame list. I'd put Yoda and Mace up above him, with Palpatine far above either of them.

 

Obi-Wan did make a few crucial errors in his training anakin like not letting him do the Jedi Trials.

 

That was only a mistake from Anakin's point of view.

 

Anakin went to the the darkside becuse he had emotional attachments, the Jedi are not supposed to have them. Anakin feared to lose his mother, attachments! He was to old, Yoda should have trained him first at a younger age.

 

It was destiny. noones fault. the path had been placed before him

 

of course its not obi-wan's fault..its anikin's fault first of all he didnt follow the ways of the jedi with being married which has somthing to do with feelings and he had to choose...Mace or Palpatine?he chose palpatine...then in epi 2 he had hatred in his heart when the "sand people" kill his mother.and remember that Yoda said,"Fear leads to hate,hate leads to anger, and anger leads to the dark side"and the fear part when he was tryin to save padme from dieing.so i conclude its anikin's fault obi wan was merely trying to stop him

 

It is not Obi-Wan's fulit Anakin chose that for him self.

 

Actually, it was all Palpatines fault

 

Obi-Wan: "I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."

You mean as well as he trained Dooku

I blame Yoda before I would blame Obi-wan, but Anakin made his own choices.

 

In my mind it goes something like this:
1) Palpatine (I don't think Anakin falls without his cohersion)
2) Anakin (he made his own decisions
3) Yoda (Jedi may forbid attachments, but the way you presented it to him RE: you must let padme die, was piss poor, especially after you saw what happened with his mother).
4) Mace (not trusting him).
5) Obi-Wan. By the time ROTS rolled around, it seems Anakin has completely gotten over the trials. They seemed to genuinely love each other, up until Anakin believes Obi-Wan turned Padme on him, of course).

But IMO there's a huge fall-off from 2-3. It wsa primarily Palpatine taking advantage of flaws in Anakins character.

 

It was Obi-wans fault. He said it himself.

This is what i dont understand about some poeple on these boards: Even though it is proven over and over again, even if it is said by the character in the movie, fans still find a way to go against it.


Boredom and or simply wanting to get a rise from people are the path the messageboard darkside

 

who Said it was obi wans fault? It was Palpatine's fault
even though he did it on purpose. Besides if anakin managed to succeed in the finishing move and kill obi wan, he would've killed Palpatine(As seen from the Game)

 

of course its not obi1 fault. its palpatine's fault and also anakin's fault.

 

It was no one's fault. Anakin was destined to do this.

 

it was palpatine's fault.without him in the big picture anakin would have had a happy family life.

 

Anakin made his decisions. Obi-Wan didn't decide for him.

 

Actually I agree...it was partly Palpy's fault for filling his mind about the dark side. But, Anakin did decide to listen to him and turn to the dark side.