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Comics Darth Vader (Marvel) #2: Vader, part 2 (of 6)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The2ndQuest , Feb 6, 2015.

  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    But very entertaining.

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  2. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It wouldn't surprise me, if it are Generals who are in command of the following formations. From the ISB, page 102:

    "Assault fleets comprise at least two transport forces and two force escorts, an average of 376 ships. Assault fleets are built to sustain what is called the " 1/4/16/64 Plan." The fleet is expected to be coordinating and sustaining four types of
    efforts: one corps-level continuous mission on a surface, four continuous operations at the battlegroup level (occasionally shifting troops from other theaters to temporarily reinforce one mission to corps level), 16 continuous missions of regimental level (with potential for shifting troops to temporarily reinforce one area to a battlegroup), and 64 missions of irregular duration at the battalion level or lower. The ability to sustain these missions is predicated upon absolute space superiority. If superiority is contested in many systems within the sector, the number of missions for which an assault fleet is responsible is reduced in direct proportion to the percentage of contested systems."

    Placing Navy-units under the command of those, who know where best to use them during a/several ground-campeign(s) makes sense, while the Navy's Admirals are only concerned with what happens in space.

    Grand General, that gives me hope that there are also Grand Admirals.

    Cassio Tagge survived? Hm, what consequences has that for the Tagge-family (does this mean buy-buy Ulric?)?
     
  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You did- in ANH :).
     
  4. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I meant outside of ANH itself.
     
  5. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    I was thinking about that when I read it--could that be considered an EU thing? Where did "Black Squadron" originate?
     
  6. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Death Star Technical Companion maybe? That, or the Customisable Card Game.
     
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  7. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm tempted to say the Customizable Card Game. Death Star Technical Companion doesn't seem to have it, though (interestingly) it does describe Tagge as a "grand tactician and leader," and Tarkin's intended successor for command of the Death Star.
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Unless a WEG source did it first, I'd assume the CCG was the originator. They named a lot of ships/squads (though some were references by time certain sets were published).
     
  9. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Death Star Technical Companiom says that Vader used his handpicked squadron in the Battle of Yavin, but it was the Costumizable Card Game that named it "Black Squadron".
     
  10. DarthMane2

    DarthMane2 Force Ghost star 5

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    Really enjoyed this. Vader has really been handled extremely well by Marvel so far. More of a intimate issue as opposed to one that moved the plot forward, but at the same time it shows that Vader doesn't have to do much to carry this series. All he has to be is Vader and it's a win.
     
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  11. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Regardless of his rank or his position in the Imperial military, this issue made me a fan of Tagge, one of the last characters I would have ever expected to be a big fan of. He's portrayed as intelligent and competent, which is faithful to what we see in ANH, but he also seems to possess something of a sense of humor. It's visible in his little flourish when calling Vader his "best warrior," or his response to Vader's great "Tarkin had vision, you have graphs" line. Obviously Tagge will be out of the picture by the time ESB rolls around, probably permanently, but while he's around I think I'll enjoy having him there.
     
  12. Grand Admiral Paxis

    Grand Admiral Paxis Jedi Master star 3

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    I really don't see any problem with Tagge, especially as a Grand General, operating with a fleet under his command. As I mentioned earlier, back in Legends canon, Grand General Malcor Brashin conducted all of his ground operations from a tactical suite aboard his personal Star Destroyer without ever setting foot planetside himself. To borrow another example from Legends, High Colonel Theol Drost oversaw and coordinated the invasion of Picutorion from orbit, without going planetside either. While he personally didn't command the actual naval element, with that being controlled by Commodore Bevven, he didn't exactly hold as lofty a rank as Grand General and still illustrates the point of Army officers operating from the Fleet.

    Considering that the Army is reliant upon the Navy for transportation from planet to planet, I can see scenarios where if a campaign is mostly going to involve ground operations, the Naval units ferrying them will be subordinated to the ranking Army officer of that mission on a temporary basis to ensure that their needs are fully met. And since Tagge is a Grand General - one that holds the Emperor's favour no less - I imagine he'd be in a position to requisition Naval forces as needed and subordinate them to his own command.
     
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  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    It's probably atypical. The Navy's the far more prestigious branch -- and in the movie, we see Veers subordinated to Ozzel. But occasionally it may be an army-led operation, as you say.


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  14. WadiumArcadium

    WadiumArcadium Jedi Knight star 2

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    Really enjoyed #2. Vader sounds so on-point. Having Tagge around is great and I loved Vader's use of the droid. I think I'm enjoying it more than Aaron's Star Wars at the moment.
     
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  15. spicer

    spicer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not as eventful or intriguing as the first issue, but a good issue non the less. Some nice action scenes in it, with good art to support it. Looking forward to finding out who the girl from the cover of issue 3 is, and I hope we get an update from the bounty hunters.
     
  16. Rebel-Jedi

    Rebel-Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    I'm debating if I should just wait for the collected editions of this series and the other Star Wars series because buying each issue over the net will get expensive over time with all the shipping costs. What do you think, are you buying the issues now or waiting for the collected editions?
     
  17. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Buying issues, now, getting trades later. But if you're choosing one over the other, I believe many online sellers give you the option of how often to ship you your comics, so you can save shipping by getting them in batches instead of paying shipping for each one.
     
  18. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Is it? Perhaps in the old canon, but with the new? After all the Clone-Wars were fought by the "Grand Army of the Republic" and not the "Grand Navy".
    And I also don't have the impression from TESB, that Veers is subordinate to Ozzel. They are all subordinate to Vader and once they arrive at Hoth it is Veers, who informs the Dark Lord about the conditions at the target, not Ozzel.
     
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  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    I'm a trades-only buyer. Bought online, with a good discount, is the only really cost-effective option without opting for digital.
     
  20. Rebel-Jedi

    Rebel-Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    I wonder if every single issue of their current series of Star Wars comics will be released in collected editions be it TPBs or HCs, Does Marvel release all their comic series in collected editions?
     
  21. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    After Vader says "General Veers, prepare your men" Veers looks to Ozzel for a nod before proceeding.
     
  22. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    99.999% certainty! Current tendencies of Marvel in their trade policy is to issue as paperback and maybe, quite a bit later, if ever, issue as a oversized hardcover (OHC) / omnibus edition.

    The difference between the two terms tends to be in how many issues are collected and at what RRP. Generally, they can charge more for an Omnibus than than OHC, for instanc Hawkeye will be available as follows:

    4 paperbacks
    2 OHCs - RRP $35 each
    1 Omnibus - RRP 99.99!

    Will there be SW omnibus editions akin to those they've done for the old Marvel material of the new stuff? Possibly, but I'd suspect those would be, at the earliest, late 2016 / early 2017.
     
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  23. SatineNaberrie

    SatineNaberrie Jedi Master star 4

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    Only thing about the volume/Omnibus's is the wait.
    I am too excited to read some of the new stuff to wait.
     
  24. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I always interpreted this as "You heard the man. Go do you job, so I can do mine." Since Vader is the one in overall command, Veers wouldn't need confirmation from Ozzel.
     
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  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    That's not how chains of command work, though. And he says "admiral?" In a questioning, not peremptory, tone.


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