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De ce nu s-a putut vindeca Darth Vader?

Discussion in 'Romania' started by ComicDiva, Aug 28, 2008.

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  1. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Here's a question. De ce in 20 de ani, Vader nu a putut sa-si vindece corpul ca sa nu mai fie dependent de costum? Jedi au healing trances nu?
     
  2. MaraStardreamer

    MaraStardreamer Jedi Master star 4

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    Probabil e doar una din neconcordantele dintre cele doua trilogii (nu-mi amintesc sa existe healing trance in trilogia veche).
    Oricum, prin aceasta metoda cred ca poti grabi doar vindecarea organismului. Ma indoiesc ca Vader sau orice alt Jedi ar fi putut sa-si recreeze organele complet distruse (plamanii) sau lipsa (membrele), in asa fel incat sa nu mai fie dependent de costum.
     
  3. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Master star 4

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    I always thought it was because healing trances (at least in my mind) require serenity and such. The Dark Side means hate is the only thing that fuels you. Hate gives you power and fires the blood, but hate is a ever roaring inferno that blocks the needed concentration. The required concentration is like whispering in middle of a huge bombardment and actually expecting the guy ten feet away to hear what the hell you are saying.
     
  4. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ok, chiar daca nu putea sa-si recupereze missing limbs si alte d-astea, nu putea macar sa-si vindece corpul pe interior astfel incat sa nu mai aiba nevoie de costumul ala? Nu mai stiu unde am citit ca Darth Vader de fapt asta voia si chiar incerca prin meditation and stuff. Dar nu mai stiu unde am citit... cred ca era novelization la Empire Strikes Back dar nu sunt sigura.

    However, Garak brings up a good point. Maybe it's simply not in the nature of the Dark Side to regenerate. If the light side is all about creation and conservation, the dark side in my mind is all about destruction and death. Pentru ca reprezinta cele doua forte fundamentale at work in the universe. Not good and evil, but rather creation and destruction. What goes up, must come down. :)

    However, I think you're underestimating hate. It is far more powerful a motivator than love. How else do you explain road rage? :)

    Dar Palpatine i-a spus lui Anakin ca a fost odata Darth Plaguies era in stare sa cuceareasca moartea, bla bla bla. Dar even if he was full of **** and there never was a Darth Plagueis, obviously Palpatine insusi stia cate ceva despre cheating death daca si-a tras cateva fulgere d-alea in freza and he survived si ar fi parut sa mai traiasca cateva decenii in ROTJ daca nu-l omora Vader. So if sith can overcome death, dupa cum a zis Palpatine si dupa cum chiar Palpatine a demonstrat prin propria-i longevitate... then if they focus enough power they should be able to heal themselves, providded of course they hate enough. Si avand in vedere ca Anakin era sucarit doar ca Dooku i-a luat o mana, iti dai seama ce sentimente avea fata de Obi Wan. :)
     
  5. Katana_

    Katana_ Jedi Knight star 3

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    Imi aduc si eu aminte ca am citit ceva referitor la asta, dar sigur nu era in TESB. Nu stiu daca nu cumva in Umbrele Imperiului. Totusi, nu bag mana in foc.
     
  6. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Master star 4

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    Era Umbrele Imperiul, I'm pretty certain...vreti sa verific? Am cartea langa mine.
     
  7. Milena_Syan

    Milena_Syan Jedi Master star 4

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    The whole thing's in the movie as well (you know, when that capsule opens up and we see that Vader's not wearing his helmet) - though it's not explained.
    Garak's probably right about the dark side not healing, but can't he do something similar to drain in KotOR or JK?
    I don't think growing his limbs back would have been a problem - not with all the technology available for cloning tissue.
    He could have cloned a brand new body - like the Emperor did. Also, we know the Emperor periodically gave brand new bodies to some of his subjects - see Bevel Lemelisk.

    It's just that getting back to his original state wasn't his goal. Through his trances he was aiming to gain independence - to rid himself of the suit meant to bypass and overthrow the man that had put him in it.
    When Luke showed up, Vader amplified his efforts, as it was clear that the final confrontation was soon to come. By Sith tradition, there had to be two Sith Lords, and out of the three possible outcomes, Vader only wanted to consider one.

     
  8. CyberFaust

    CyberFaust Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I just failed a dice roll si nu pot citii postul lui mada pentru ca runda asta nu inteleg engleza.
     
  9. SVAndrei

    SVAndrei Jedi Knight star 5

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    Motivul e simplu. Nu s-a putut vindeca deoarece asa cerea scenariul, de dragul continuitatii... [face_whistling]
     
  10. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah there is that... but it takes all the fun out of life :p
     
  11. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Meanwhile am aflat raspunsul din cartea Dark Lord. Nu s0a mai vindecat pentru ca pur si simplu nu i-a mai pasat. :) In perioada aia de doua luni sau cat a trecut de la masacru, a fsot super deprimat Vader si nah, Palpatine a incercat sa-i traga cateva bitch slaps sa se trezeasca la realitatea intunecata din fata lui, si odat ace Vader truely embraced the Darth Side, he just didn't care anymore, chiar daca la inceput il incomoda rau costumul.
     
  12. Ionut_cel_Intelept

    Ionut_cel_Intelept Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Pai si atunci de ce mai incerca sa-si repare caile respiratorii in Umbrele Imperiului? Actiunea din cartea aia se petrece cu muuult timp dupa vechea trilogie.

    Daca e sa ne gandim la efectele partii intunecate, dupa cum bine se spunea mai devreme, partea intunecata macina corpul din punct de vedere fizic. Cel mai bun exemplu e Palpatine. Totusi si aici exista diferente de la un exemplu la altul. Dooku arata bine pentru varsta. Pe el nu l-a mai macinat Forta.
     
  13. jombistarkiller

    jombistarkiller Jedi Youngling star 3

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    In cartea "umbrele Imperiului" este o parte unde sta in cabina lui si se gandeste la Obi-Wan si isi concentreaza ura pentru a se vindeca. reuseste pentru un moment de poate respira fara casca, dar in momentul in care se face bine ii dispare si ura si cu asta si concentrarea si puterea d a se vindeca
     
  14. Ionut_cel_Intelept

    Ionut_cel_Intelept Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Cade Skywalker cred ca ar fi putut sa-l vindece.
     
  15. Milena_Syan

    Milena_Syan Jedi Master star 4

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    Cade nu se putea vindeca pe el insusi! :p
     
  16. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Master star 4

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    Not true: he resurrected his master and healed Marisiah Fel, Blue, Jariah Syn and Azlyn Rae.
     
  17. ComicDiva

    ComicDiva Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Intrebarea e de ce ar vrea sa-l vindece Cade. :)
     
  18. Ionut_cel_Intelept

    Ionut_cel_Intelept Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Pai nu am spus daca ar vrea sau nu. Insa avea capacitatea sa o faca, desi cu cat incerca mai tare sa vindece pe cineva cu atat se apropia mai mult de partea intunecata. Ceea ce ma face sa ma gandesc care e legaura dintre partea intunecata si puterea de a vindeca.
     
  19. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Master star 4

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    O fi faptul ca he is bending the Force (and life and stuff) to his will (which is a Dark Side way of doing things)? Resurrecting his master definetly means he was bending the Force to his will. Poate sunt si metode Light Side de a face chestiile astea dar Cade stumbled across the Dark Side way of doing things and stuck with it.
     
  20. goraq

    goraq Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Cade definetly wont cure Krayt after Had Abbadon happened.
     
  21. CyberFaust

    CyberFaust Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Srsly, de lene. :D
     
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