ST Details from TFA script released by Disney to the Writers Guild

Right. Because hiding a child/offspring/skywalker with a perfectly good lie, and then a perfectly good revelation has never happened before in this saga that's for sure.

And having Kylo be the one to hide her (an idea I don't necessarily subscribe to) could be a very interesting development. Snoke's philosophy is that the only reason why Vader failed was because of his sentimentality towards his son. He tells this to Kylo explicitly. Kylo is continually tempted by the light side and wants to prove his worth. It would be quite the turn of events, if then in the next movie, its Kylo's sentimentality that what saves young Rey, and now comes back to haunt them both.

 

Well you'd have to ask the /WRITERS/ wouldn't you? I'd say that it's telegraphed that Kylo knows, or suspects, who Rey is... otherwise why mention her at all?

 

Uhm, because he's surprised how strong she is with the Force? That /is/ precisely what he told Snoke, after all.

 

At the time of ANH, this was not a lie.

 

Maybe he's surprised at how strong she is in the Force now, seeing as how last time he saw her was when he dumped her on Jakku and she had none. He certainly wouldn't want to tell Snoke that he's responsible for this mess, when he's so desperate to be trained.

Also, just because you /accentuate/ certain /words/ doesn't make your opinion, stronger, or more /factual/.

 

It was a lie, and the truth, from a certain point of view, and it was told to Luke to protect him.

 

Vader was /not/ Luke's father during the making of ANH.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

 

So now you're making my formatting an issue?

That's mature... Good luck with that.

 

Uhm, you have to ask yourself /WHY/ the writers would present it this way? Why does Kylo need to know anything about her existence at that point? What does it add to the story that he knows about her involvement, unless to allude to a suspicion of knowledge? There's certainly no implicit sense of astonishment from Kylo that she's a force user.

 

Except the scared look on his face when she reads his mind (and even states that he's scared.)

Except when he's talking to Snoke about her.

 

He's scared because he's underestimated her strength... I thought that was rather obvious. There's certainly nothing in the text to allude to him being surprised that she's a force user. Does the novel expand on this at all?

 

Yup and to those that say it's showing and not telling, sometimes you have to show. What they showed is, 3 separate times in the movie a character asks "who's the girl" and there is no answer shown. You don't do that unless you're setting up some sort of reveal. If it was just a simple she's a random girl, it would have been said one of those times if not all of those times. It's not meant as small talk.

 

Rey being known by Kylo Ren or especially Han and Leia just seems too easy, and in an illogical way. Unfortunately people are so determined to believe this that they will think the storytelling is bad if it doesn't happen this way. This is the TFA version of thinking Palpatine and Sidious were two different people.

 

It could be simply to keep the story focused on her... It /is/ her story, after all.

 

They don't know for sure, that's why we're not told. They suspect. How would they know for sure.
Leia knows at the end. But we're not told.
The whole ending is played like they had revealed something but cut it out of the movie.

 

Translation: there's nothing in Leia's words or on-screen actions to support this.

 

Sure, she just sends a stranger to see Luke and not go see her brother with her, after desperately looking for him. Makes a lot of sense.

 

"Who's the girl?" was a segue, and it wasn't elaborated because there was no reason to hear Han describe his arrival on the Falcon and finding her there. Finn had already explained who he was. Now, maybe from that conversation Maz thought there was something special about her, but it doesn't make sense for Han to know anything about her or to have forgotten who she was or any of that.

 

In the novel, Rey and Leia's final scene is extended quite a bit with much more dialogue before the "May the force be with you." There is clearly something - information, a connection, both perhaps - that Leia and Rey have shared in between the scenes that the audience is not privy to. Leia tells Rey that she's proud of what she's about to do, and then Rey remarks that she knows she's worried about her too, and then Leia reassures her that she won't have the fate of their son, and then they both talk about how they know they are doing the right thing and thats how it should be etc.


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After watching the film 'x' amount of times, it does look like Leia recognized Rey...either that, or Leia was just amazed--sensing through the Force--about how strong Rey was as she whupped her son's corrupted ass.

 

So there's a key plot point that exists in the novel, but /NOT/ in the movie? What would be the logic in doing that?

 

I think the implication is there in the film as well. You just don't get as much of their dialogue about it.


Like someone above said... If you don't assume they have had something happening behind the scenes, you are then left with the choice that Leia sends a completely random stranger to go find her brother. Why not herself? Why not Poe? She knows something.


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Rey demonstrated her Force abilities, and needs to be trained further.

 

yep, makes only sense that she wants Luke's daughter to see her father alone after so many years. This is the only plausible reason why Leia is not going there as well. if Rey would be a Solo, you can bet that Leia would first go and check if her brother is still in a normal mental state to train her.

 

Definitely.

The look that Leia gives as she tells Rey "May the Force be with you" has a "You'll soon be reunited with a love one" kinda vibe to it.

Either that, or Leia was REALLY proud that Rey put Ben in his place...or Leia has homoerotic feelings for her.