Did Anakin know Sidious was actually the leader of the separatists?

After seeing the dvd, I still don't know. When Anakin goes to kill the separatists on Mustafar, does he know that Sidious was secretly behind the entire operation?

He must have suspected, I guess...after all, he knew that Maul and Dooku were Sith lords, and apprentices of his new master, right? And they were both involved with the separatists. Is it possible that Anakin knows Sidious was the Mastermind behind the separatists Alliance, and understands that this conspiracy was necessary in order to gain control of the Republic...

 

I think Anakin figured it out.




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He knows, he just doesn't care at the time. He's mad at Palaptine and wants to kill him, but then any chance of saving Padmè will be lost.

 

Of course he does once he learns Palpatine is Sidious. So Anakin was aware of this well before Mustafar. But you see, when Anakin sides with Palpatine he sees the Jedi as evil. And so if Palpatine created the war and the mirror of the separatists to descimate the Jedi, at this point Anakin was okay with it.

 

Well, at FIRST Anakin wasn't too okay with it:

At the scene where Anakin finds out that Palpatine is a Sith Lord:

Palpatine: "Are you going to kill me?"

Anakin: "I would certainly like to!"

 

And then Palpatine turned up the lies and manipulative power. I can't imagine how Anakin showed the restraint to not kill him when you actually think about all that Palpatine did to his life and the life of everyone in the galaxy.

 

See, that's why I can't comprehend that Anakin joined Sidious. It works, except for that bit. Anakin hates the separatists more than anything! But I guess you're right, he has to know it.

 

It's all because of Padme. That's really it. I can see, from Anakin's perspective, to kill mace or at least injure him so Palpatine wouldn't die. But then completely turning his back on the Jedi is where I feel perhaps a bit more could've been done.

 

He knows it when he's sent to Mustafar, for sure.

 

Yeah... Anakin sure takes his frustrations out on those seperatists...

 

I'm not sure - he should have known 'cause things were painfully obvious. But in the utterly messed up, psychotic state he was in, I'm not sure he was. IMO, he wasn't capable of one single clear thought at that time, but maybe that is just me.

 

I have to keep telling myself he absolutely didn't know ever.

Cause you would think any idiot could add 1+1. The seperatists wanted Padme dead....their leader is a Sith Lord....Palpatine is that Sith Lord....Palpatine wanted Padme Dead.

 

palpatine didn't want padme dead necesarily.. nute gunray wanted her dead for sure...

i think after turning to the darkside to try to save padme anakin didn't really care about seperatists anymore.. just getting what he wanted from sidious..i.e the power to save padme.

 

If he had'nt figured it out before-hand he had to of realized it when Gunray said "But Lord Sidious promised us peace".

 

There are always two Sith lords...no more, no less...In reality wasn't Dooku the Sith Lord in charge of the seperatist movement? Darth Sidious was the dark lord suspected of controlling the Senate - not the seperatists...but then again, the dark side clouds all judgment and knowledge of such things, so maybe Anakin was just confused by Palpatine and in denial of the truth...

 

It this point in Sith history, would be pretty stupid for the two Sith Lords to be working against each other. Remember that it's not just any two Sith that can exist at any given time- it's master and apprentice. Naturally, they're going to work together, and if the apprentice decides to kill the master, he's not going to make a huge public spectacle out of it. Dooku revealed that Sidious exists, the Jedi soon learn that Dooku himself is a Sith. They figure Dooku's revelation about Sidious controlling the senate is a lie meant to distract them and dismiss it, but decide to keep an eye on things. They probably imagined that Sidious was ultimately controlling the Separatists through Dooku but only had some influence on several senators at most without realizing just how high up in the Republic power structure he really was.

But anyway, yeah, once Anakin learned that Palpatine was Sidious, I think he even he was smart enough to realize that he was controlling both sides.

 

Even so, right after he offs Mace, after hearing all these promises from Palpatine, at the height of his power when he is pledging allegiance to Palps, palps dodges a bullet by essentially retracting everything he has promised by saying "Im sure we can discover..."

So I got the impression through out the movie he was telling Anakin he knew how to stop death, but then fesses up and slips in a "No I really dont but might be able to find out"

Dead wife or no dead wife I would of iced him right there.

But he had to know that the seperatists were under the control of a Sith lord cause it seems thats all the Jedi talked about. Ecspecially with Count Dooku and the Two rule. The rest is simple mathmatics leading all the way to palpatine, Just takes him 20 some odd years to figure out I guess.

 

Anakin to Mace: "He's the Sith Lord we've been looking for!"

Anakin knows...

- O_F

 

I totally stand corrected....

 

It was too late by then. He'd killed Mace, he was under the spell of the dark side. When Anakin makes his choice between Sidious and Mace, that's the breaking point. He's thrown his chips in with Sidious and the Sith.

 

Obi-Wan figured it out, I would imangine Anakin would too.

 

Yeah I think he knew, I mean Nute told him just before he slaughtered him. "The War is over! Lord Sidious promised us peace..."

 

Hmm, let me make the connection:

Anakin - loves - Padme
Anakin - loyal - Palpatine
Palpatine - is - Sidious
Sidious - master - Dooku
Dooku - contracted - Jango
Jango - attempted twice to kill - Padme
Dooku - attempted to kill - Padme
Gunray - attempted to kill - Padme
Sidious - leader of - Dooku, Jango, and Gunray

And Anakin is still loyal to Palpatine who tried to kill his wife so many times.

 

Just my take on things, but since Anakin is so impetuous, I think he didn't really comprehend and think through everything until after Mustafar, hence the tears. When he turns, he's totally focused on saving Padme, but after Mustafar, I think he finally gets the totality of it and makes the connection. Of course, by then, he's too far gone...

 

The bit that doesn't really work is Sidious' and Anakin bragging about "bringing peace to the empire".

Cause Anakin now knows that Sidious brought war to the galaxy. As the man behind the separatists, it is not too hard for Sidious to betray them, have them killed, hence bring peace to the galaxy.

Sidious' manipulations work perfectly except that bit.

I understand Anakin wants to learn the power to cheat death and that he doesn't trust the jedi. But that "bring peace to the empire" thing is a bit hard to swallow !!

Sidious clearly admits that he is a bastard, a liar, a traitor much more than the worst of all the jedi !

Lucas says that Anakin and Sidious are both convinced to act for the good of all. When you think about it, it's hard to believe.