did leia forgive vader?

Knowing that plot point doesn't really matter too much to the book's story as a whole - at least, if you're a long standing EU fan who already knows about Leia's descendents from books written earlier.

The important part is how Leia gets from stage A to stage B mentally.

 

She named her son after Anakin's father; Ben's dark side was refereed to as "a bit Vader in him" - Leia clearly understood the difference between Anakin and Darth Vader. So yeah, I'm guessing she forgave her father.

 

We will find out I hope. That's one thing I didn't like about the old EU, and one of the few things I disagree with MattOrgana about . I feel that it would be severely out of character for Leia to not forgive Anakin. She was willing to forgive SPOILER in TFA, why not Anakin too?

 

You know, I was thinking about it this week and now I see things differently.

Now I think Ben's turn and her unconditional love for her son turn made Leia see that the Dark Side can seduce even good people.

I really believe Leia has come to terms with the idea that her father Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight and hero of the Clone Wars, a man who gave his life to save Luke and kill the Emperor (and who brought balance to the Force and ultimately helped save the galaxy) and Darth Vader, the monster, the machine, are not the same person (at least from a certain point view).

And the new canon must show a conversation between Leia and her father's Force ghost. Maybe Anakin comforting his daughter after Ben's turn.

 

If you watch her last two scenes with Han it's almost a mirror reverse of her scenes with Luke when he want off to try and redeem Vader. She is practically begging him to bring their son back, and Han is the one that points out, (prior to her asking) that there was too much Vader in him. She is convinced that there is still light in him, and he does appear conflicted at times. Han doesn't see it, though he wants to. He goes because she begged him to, and he loves his son. One could (and I'm sure people have) write books on this family dynamic alone.

As a mother and wife, she now understands more than ever, unconditional love of someone even when they've done horrible things. How that plays out now that her son has killed her husband, remains to be seen. But I can't wait to see how they do it.

I haven't read Tatootine Ghost for years, but if I remember right, she finds out more about Anakin and how he was a slave kid taken from his mother. Han seems to relate to this and is able to see where the kid was coming from and how hard it must have been for him. As a troubled kid, who made some poor, albeit non evil choices himself, he was able to see Anakin's POV.

I don't think she forgave Vader as much as she came to see Vader and Anakin as two different people, much the way she see's Ben and Kylo. She's forgiven Anakin, after all he could have killed Luke, but didn't. Instead he died to save his son, and took out Emperor Palpatine.

I think she has a better understanding, and has let her anger go. She knows what can happen when anger consumes one. However not that Kylo has killed Han we may see some anger yet, possibly even a skirting on the darkside as she tries to reconcile the actions and consequences of that day.

 

Yes, she probably forgave Anakin and recognized there was good in him, but I believe she'll always see Bail and Breha Organa as her true parents. She probably sees herself more as an Organa than as a Skywalker.

 

I have no idea, but I would think she would have to consider it since Ben is dark and she still sees the good in him. I would actually LOVE it if we see her interact with force ghost Anakin in one of these upcoming films, maybe for the first time??

 

we won't know until it's addressed in films or other media.

 

I think that much like Ben and Kylo she's come to see Anakin and Vader as two different people


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It took her a while, but she did forgive him. According to the EU, she read Shmi's diaries and found out what Anakin was like prior to his fall.

 

Please let this happen.

This particular relationship has always fascinated me.

 

She didn't really have a family-like relationship with Vader at any point so it's hard to say if she would have forgiven someone she barely knew or not.

Personally, I'm not sure if I would ever have gotten over my home planet and my adoptive family blowing up.

 

if anyone could not forgive Vader, it should be Luke as he was left in the middle of nowhere to be raised. Leia was raised in riches and royalty so I dont think she ever held hostility towards her father.... About Alderaan, I'd be surprised if she could forgive that act fully though

 

Was Vader actually in charge of Alderaan though? I felt like it was Tarkin who was in charge of that whole thing.

 

I remember reading somewhere in the old EU, Leia learned to forgive Vader after reading her grandmother's diary.

 

I'm sure she forgave. I mean she did name her second son Anakin 4 crying out loud in Legends!

 

I think in both Legends and Canon she does indeed forgive Anakin. In Bloodline it is not explicility said but she is aware of hia redemption but does not understand how it could happen.

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this is what the new books deal with. she believes what luke says but doesn't understand it.

 

So the nucanon is turning Leia into a hardened unforgivable type?

 

Perhaps she doesn't really feel a need to forgive him, since she never knew him as a father. I mean, since she grew up in a loving home, maybe she never felt like she missed her biological parents.
Anyhow, I hope EpVIII or EpIX at least drops a hint regarding her feelings towards Anakin (and Padmé).

 

I doubt we'll ever hear the name Padmé again

 

In Bloodlines, I feel she is ambivalent to him at best. She considers Bail Organa to be her true father. She hated Vader and from what I could tell still hates "Vader."

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But it does seem that at the end she has something of an epiphany and realizes that his fall to the dark side might have been a little more complicated that just being greedy or lusting for power. As far as Padme, she seems very proud of that side of her heritage, inasmuch as she knows about it. But anyway there was no real resolution as far as Leia actively forgiving Anakin for what he did as Darth Vader. So I think that material could yet be explored, in future films or literature.

 

More on Bloodline (which is a great read) and apparently a part of the new canon.

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So 6 years before TFA only Leia, Luke, and Han know that Vader is Luke and Leia's father, and that he turned good at the end. Leia knows this because Luke tells her, and Luke gets very blissful when he speaks about Anakin. But Leia suffers from PTSD due to Vader...only Vader. Not Tarkin or Palpatine. I think that is quite significant, and my assumption is its precisely because Vader is her father that she has such a strong reaction to him over the other two.

BUT as the novel progresses, so does Leia's thoughts about him. In the beginning, she can't even think of him, she states that Bail is her only father. Later on, when it is revealed to the Senate who she is, she starts to acknowledge him as her father, and by the end of the novel she starts to realize that he could have had good intentions but fallen into evil.

So its a very clear progression in her thoughts about Anakin/Vader, and I think they are leading up to a confrontation between her and his ghost (she doesn't seem to know he is a ghost) at some point.

 

For me, I don't think there is a difference between Anakin and Vader for Leia. I don't think she ever forgave Vader, but merely grew to accept the fact that Vader was her father and the only thing Anakin means to her is that was Vader's former name. I think for Leia, she sees Anakin as her father in name only. To her Bail is her father as he was the one who raised her. With that dynamic, I cannot see her forgiving Vader for his acts. Without there being any sort of familial relationship between her and Vader, she would have no reason to be forgiving in any manner, unlike Luke who saw the human side of Vader, and who brought about the redemption of Anakin.

 

Ok so Leia was tortured 4 hours but Luke lost a hand & took a few bumps from daddy also. So 1 forgives &the other can't.

Sad.

P. S. It was Tarkin the blew Alderaan 2 dust. Not Vader.