Did Luke kill the two Gamorrean guards?

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  1. WhiskeyGold Force Ghost

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    When Luke arrives at Jabba's he chokes two Gamorrean guards. Does he kill them? They never run in. Maybe just passed out?
  2. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Yep, he choked them until they passed out.
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  3. Champion of the Force Force Ghost

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    I've also always assumed he just caused them to pass out.
  4. STARKILLER365 Jedi Youngling

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  5. Sitara Force Ghost

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    Apologies for brining this up again...but WHY did Luke use the Dark Side again?

    Especially after the whole lecture with Yoda about NOT falling to the Dark Side?
  6. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Maybe it's not an inherent dark power he's using- just telekinesis- and not to kill, only to get past.
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  7. darthbarracuda Jedi Master

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    Yeah maybe it's like what Obi did to the stormtroopers in ANH where he confused their minds.

    Luke probably just made them go to sleep.

    And a Sith, IMO, would choke someone, not just to get past them, but they also take pleasure in seeing their own power. They could probably just gut 'em right through the chest with a lightsaber, but they enjoy the sadistic action of slowly choking someone. Just like how Vader could have just pushed Captain Antilles into the wall and put his lightsaber to his neck, but instead he choked him. That's just my opinion though
  8. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Passed out is what happened
  9. janstett Force Ghost

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    I thought it was a brilliant nod that Luke was treading dangerously close to the dark side... Combined with the all black wardrobe, you had to wonder for a moment if Luke was going dark.
  10. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Correct, it's exactly what was intended.

    - Mark Hamill, Bantha Tracks #18, November 1982
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  11. Master_EdgeCrusher Jedi Grand Master

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    It is not to say that he was using the Dark Side, but as a New Jedi Master, he now began gathering all knowledge the the force to include this such ability
  12. Trask Ulgo Jedi Master

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    Agreed. Luke's training was quick, his father is the villain, and he is trying to save his friends from a Hutt gangster. IT makes sense that he was tempted by the dark side.
  13. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    I dont think we know either way, I would hope he didn't kill them but I'm not aware of anything about the guards after that point or anything confirming it either way. It is just speculation. I would guess that he didn't though, but we don't know
  14. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Luke probably used the force choke because he had just figured it out (I, uh, don't think Yoda woulda taught him that particular nugget) and gave it a shot. Afterwards he might have been, "Uh, okay. Let's just not do that one again." and mentally filed it away. Also there's no way he would have known if that particular attribute was "light" or "dark", even though it's basically totally been classified as "dark" ever since that point in all Star Wars stuff. It's an easy way to signify that someone is a bad guy. What with the neck crackling and gagging sound and all.

    Let's just assume he never used it again. Hell, I could even think in the back of my mind there's some reference to it in the early EU novels where Luke is remembering the event and remembered how dark it was and said he'd never do it again.
  15. vypernight Jedi Master

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    I don't think he killed them. Morals aside, he only held them in the choke for a few seconds. Even Vader needed longer than that to snap some delicate human's neck!

    It looked more like he held the chokes just long enough to make the guards stumble back stunned. If he was able to snap the guards' necks (which were pretty thick, even if Force-choked) in a matter of seconds, then Luke had to have gained a massive amount of training offscreen!
  16. LeNivekk Jedi Youngling

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    Or ...
    maybe that Luke, like his father Anakin, is very sensitive when his friends/familly are in danger (maybe because of the impressive total of Midichlorians his body has ) morever he doesn't have a master jedi next to him all the time to remind him to stay on the Jedi's path...Indeed for me he goes a bit "sithhy" with those gammoreans.

    I think that Luke has his dark side demons, and that episodes IV, V, VI were his moment s of glory, wherever Episodes VII, VIII and IX will show his fall !

    And the new Master Sith, he will become !
    ..or not...I don't really know but if he becomes evil, this scene in "The Return of the Jedi" will clearly be a nice move !
  17. Rabs Jedi Grand Master

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    He choked them out. He's a Jedi with an edge not a Sith.
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  18. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    What? Vader snapped his neck after he got the information he wanted. That's of the most painless ways to die, actually.
    Needa's and Ozzel's deaths were cruel though, as punishment.
  19. Sarge Chosen One

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    It's been years, OK, decades, since I read the RotJ novel, but IIRC it said Luke's actions were ever so faintly tinged by the dark side when he choked the guards.

    Personally, I never believed force choke was a separate power. It's just telekinesis applied to the throat instead of rocks, R2 units, and X-wings.
  20. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Right, but it is something that Jedi don't do because it is an aggressive use of the Force. An idea going into ROTJ was that Luke could go either way. At one point, Kasdan suggested a different color blade to help gray the issue, but Lucas wanted to keep the colors established thus far. But thanks to technical issues, Lucas wound up changing the blade anyway and thus allowing Kasdan's idea to be used after all. The film is careful to not have Luke kill in cold blood, only when it is in self defense or in defense of others. It is only when the duel begins and at the conclusion, does Luke really come close to turning.
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  21. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Not really - it's more Luke's feelings when Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc:

    Luke only smiled. "You should have bargained, Jabba. That's the last mistake you'll ever make." Luke was unable to suppress the satisfaction in his voice. He found Jabba despicable- a leech of the galaxy, sucking the life from whatever he touched. Luke wanted to burn the villain, and so was actually rather glad that Jabba had refused to bargain- for now Luke would get his wish precisely. Of course, his primary objective was to free his friends, whom he loved dearly; it was this concern that guided him now, above all else. But in the process, to free the universe of this gangster slug- this was a prospect that tinted Luke's purpose with an ever-so-slightly dark satisfaction.


    though, just before he walks in - theres's an allusion to his being just a little "darker".


    Standing outside in the dusty gale, staring into the black cavernous entranceway, was Luke Skywalker.
    He was clad in the robe of the Jedi Knight—a cassock, really—but bore neither gun nor lightsaber. He stood loosely, without bravado, taking a measure of the place before entering. He was a man now. Wiser, like a man—older more from loss than from years. Loss of illusions, loss of dependency. Loss of friends, to war. Loss of sleep, to stress. Loss of laughter. Loss of his hand.
    But of all his losses, the greatest was that which came from knowledge, and from the deep recognition that he could never un-know what he knew. So many things he wished he'd never learned. He had aged with the weight of this knowledge.
    Knowledge brought benefits, of course. He was less impulsive now. Manhood had given him perspective, a framework in which to fit the events of his life—that is, a lattice of spatial and time coordinates spanning his existence, back earliest memories, ahead to a hundred alternative futures. A lattice of depths, and conundrums, and interstices, through which Luke could peer at any new event in his life, peer at it with perspective. A lattice of shadows and corners, rolling back to the vanishing point on the horizon of Luke's mind. And all these shadow boxes that lent such perspective to things…well, this lattice gave his life a certain darkness.
    Nothing of substance, of course—and in any case, some would have said this shading gave a depth to his personality, where before it had been thin, without dimension—though such a suggestion probably would have come from jaded critics, reflecting a jaded time. Nonetheless, there was a certain darkness, now.
    There were other advantages to knowledge: rationality, etiquette, choice. Choice, of them all, was a true double-edged sword; but it did have its advantages.
    Furthermore he was skilled in the craft of the Jedi now, where before he'd been merely precocious.
    He was more aware now.
    These were all desirable attributes, to be sure; and Luke knew as well as anyone that all things alive must grow. Still, it carried a certain sadness, the sum of all this knowledge. A certain sense of regret. But who could afford to be a boy in times such as these?
    Resolutely, Luke strode into the arching hallway.
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  22. Kato Sai Jedi Grand Master

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    Force Grip and Force Choke are different powers. Force Grip which can be used on the throat, is a neutral power. Force Choke is a dark side power because it is used to crush the windpipe and even the lungs until the person dies. (Legends).

    I believe Luke used Force Grip.
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  23. andresfelix Jedi Padawan

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    Why hasn't this thread being locked yet?
    it has already been answered
  24. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    The topic and its implications are still being discussed. You don't have to participate if you don't want to.
  25. andresfelix Jedi Padawan

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    it is just that so many completely innocent threads get locked on this site, I wonder why not this one
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