Did Obi-Wan know beforehand that Anakin and Padme were married?

I sort of got the impression from the movie that Obi-Wan knew Ani and Padme were in some sort of relationship before even meeting Padme in her apartment.

In one scene Padme tells Anakin that Obi-Wan was in her apartment just to see how Ani was doing. Anakin gives her that quizical look and asks what was he doing here. It's as if he suspects Obi-Wan of knowing their secret love affair. Also why does Obi-Wan go to Padme's apartment to see how Anakin was doing?

When Yoda tells Obi-Wan to use his feelings to find Anakin, Obi-Wan seems to know where to find the answer. He doesn't look surprised when he tells Padme that Anakin is the father.

Therefore, it seems like Obi-Wan has had his suspicions for quite some time which begs the question, why did he not inform the Council of his suspicions? Was it because Anakin was too good of a friend to him that he does not want to see him banished from the order? Or was it because he believed in the prophecy like Qui-Gon did? Perhaps that's why he felt at fault that Anakin turned to the darkside.

Discuss.

 

i guess obi-wan is a worldly enough guy to have thought you don't HAVE to be married to someone to knock them up

excellent thread though

 

Or maybe Obi-Wan was thinking of knockin someone himself.

 

I don't know if he knew they were married but he knew something was going on. obi wan visits her twice during the movie. sure one visit is only a mention that he was there, but he went to her to express concern for anakins state of mind, and again to try and find anikin. and he knew before that conversation that ankikin was the fater, but he wanted to make sure at that moment that she knew he knew.

 

This topic has been brought up before.

From the canon of the films, it appears that Obi-Wan only knows that Anakin and Padme are extremely close. He eventually deduces that Anakin is the father of Padme's children but he never states that he knows they are married. All that he knows, from the films mind you, is that they are extremely intimate and romantically involved; he gives no indication that he knows of the marriage.

In fact, I do not believe that he knows even after overhearing the conversation on the Mustafar platform. I cannot recall Anakin ever discussing their marriage with Padme prior to the choke; therefore, it's possible that Obi-Wan never truly finds out...within the canon of the films.

However, it's rather naive to think that Obi-Wan Kenobi, legendary Jedi Knight, would not have some insight into the soul of his close friend and former apprentice. Thus, we have the Eu much maligned and generally errant EU to turn to for help. From LoE and other EU resources, we can glean a lot of inferences and statements that indicate that Obi-Wan does, in fact, know that Padme and Anakin are married. Unfortunately, these references never made it into the canon of the movies and thus remain of dubious credibility.

From a personal perspective, and without and basis in the films, I think it's much more powerful if Obi-Wan does know that Anakin and Padme are married. I'd like to think that he's know for some time...probably since the beginning of the Clone Wars. He protects his padawan because he, too, is attached to Anakin. He loves him as a brother and wants to protect him and his dreams of being a Jedi. Obi-Wan doesn't out the marriage because of his true and pure concern for Anakin and Padme, at least that's what I'd like to believe.

 

Is it actually ever explained what Obi-Wan was doing at Padme's apartment? I know that we know but does the general movie going audience know?



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No, Obi Won did not know.
the book says he suspected something was going on between Anakin and Padme but looked the other way.....

I dont even think Obi realized they were married when he confronted Padme about being pregnant.

 

I like to believe that Obi-Wan did not suspect a relationship between Anakin and Padme until right before he came to talk to her, and her silence had said it all. His brief suspicions were proven right. I don't think he suspected Anakin for having and intimate relationship with Padme before that. How could he? They did not do anything in public that would make anyone suspect them as being a couple [okay maybe that one time when he kissed her after coming back from saving Palpatine]but they did not show any signs of anyone witnessing that. My point is, I think Obi-Wan did not know about their relationship until right before meeting with Padme, that is WHY he went to meet Padme. And I don't think HE had any objections to the relationship, except the fact that Anakin was going to the Dark Side.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Good topic.

 

in the book obi wan knows that anakin and padme are married and he is fine with it

 

This is why I wish George had left the scene in the movie where Obi-Wan goes to Padme to ask her to make sure Anakin doesn't leave the Jedi. The scene where Palpatine takes advantage of this needs to be in there, too. Right now, it looks like Anakin thinks this of his best friend and it isn't really given resolution, beside the Mustafar scene. I hope this is one of the added in scenes on the DVD, if there are any.

 

have you been reading ROTS- Supershadow edition?

That never happened

 

This is explained in the ROTS novelization. In the 1st scene with Obi-Wan and Padme in her apartment (which I believe may be on the DVD), Obi-Wan confesses that he knows they are in love, that Anakin doesn't even try to hide it, and he can see it on their faces when they speak. But he has never done anything about it, because he knows that nothing else could make Anakin that happy. He conveniently ignores the relationship, and promises not to tell the Council. Padme doesn't speak through the whole exchange. But it doesn't ever say that he knows they're actually married.

In the rest of the Clone Wars EU there are strong hints that he knows about their relationship, it's briefly mentioned in nearly all the books with the two of them, and in the comic books. Most notably, in "Obsession" Anakin is on leave on Naboo, Obi-Wan decides to interrupt and fetch him to continue a mission to look for Asajj. He arrives as they're standing around the Lake Retreat in what looks like their pajamas. When Anakin questions how Obi-Wan knew where to find him, he jokes that every Padawan on Coruscant knew where he was.

 

I think Obi had a pretty good idea that Anakin and Padme were together. But, I don't think he was suspecting that the two were married.

 

He strongly suspected.

 

He knew they were very close. But he never assumed it because Jedi don't assume. It betray's them.

 

Thanks RS. That pretty much explains that.

 

93 EXT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-EARLY MORNING

Padme's apartment building is surrounded by the smog-shrouded city of Coruscant.

94 INT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-LIVING ROOM-EARLY MORNING

PADME and OBI-WAN sit on one of the couches.

OBI-WAN: "Has Anakin been to see you?"

PADME: "Several times . . . I was so happy to hear he was accepted on the Jedi Council."

OBI-WAN: "I know ... he deserves it. He is impatient, strong willed, very opinionated, but truly gifted."

They laugh.

PADME: "You're not just here to say hello. Something is wrong, isn't it?"

OBI-WAN: "You should be a Jedi, Padme."

PADME: "You're not very good at hiding your feelings."

OBI-WAN: "It's Anakin . . . He's becoming moody and detached. He's been put in a difficult position as the Chancellor's representative . . . but I think it's more than that. I was hoping he may have talked to you."

PADME: "Why would he talk to me about his work?"

OBI-WAN studies her.

OBI-WAN: "Neither of you is very good at hiding your feelings either."

PADME: "Don't give me that look."

OBI-WAN: "I know how he feels about you."

PADME: (nervous) "What did he say?"

OBI-WAN: "Nothing. He didn't have to."

PADME is a little flustered. She stands and Obi-Wan follows. She walks to the balcony.

PADME: "I don't know what you're talking about."

OBI-WAN: "I know you both too well. I can see you two are in love. Padme, I'm worried about him."

PADME looks down and doesn't answer.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) "I fear your relationship has confused him. He's changed considerably since we returned . . ."

They stand on the balcony and look off at the early morning city. OBI-WAN starts to leave. PADME stays looking off into the distant city.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) "Padme, I'm not telling the Council about any of this. I ... I hope I didn't upset you. We're all friends, I care about both of you . . ."

PADME: "Thank you, Obi-Wan."

OBI-WAN: "Please do what you can to help him."

 

And there you go.

 

When I factor in the EU I come up with one opinion, and when I don't I come up with another.

Going by what happens in the movies ONLY, not counting deleted scenes or anything, I think Obi-Wan knew about Padme and Anakin, but may have been in denial. Then when I bring the EU into the equasion, I also think that he knew, but didn't tell The Council because he was trying to protect them.

 

Does it matter either way?

It most certainly does not. I hate that Lucas played up the whole 'forbidden love' storyline, only to have it become a total non-issue.

In AOTC, after Dooku runs out on Yoda, and Yoda stops the pillar from falling on Anakin & Obi-Wan, Padme runs in and she and Anakin hug and kiss right in front of Obi-Wan and Yoda!! and no one ever says a word.

Not to mention the utter temper tantrum Anakin throws in AOTC when Padme is knocked out of the ship & falls to the sand. "Anakin, don't let your personal feelings get in the way."

Then at the end of AOTC. "Where is Anakin?" "He escorted the senator back to Naboo"

DUH!!!

There are dozens of other clues too. Either the Jedi are completely blind and don't notice the 'forbidden love' budding right before their eyes, or they know all about it and choose to look the other way. Afterall, wouldn't want to upset the Chosen One.

They clearly know the scoop but it's never addressed, it never becomes integral to the plot. The idea of forbidden love is completely unnecessary except for the fact that it shows Anakin is willing to violate the Jedi code (and think only of himself) all while making up his own rules as he goes along.

But are the Jedi going to do anything about this violation? No, because they don't care. If they did, it would have been address, but it never was.

 

Actually, it's still an issue. Just not the issue we thought it was. The issue is that Anakin shouldn't have gotten involved with Padme, because it lead to his eventual destruction. That's why Jedi are forebidden to get married and have attachments.

 

But it's not an issue, because even if love were approved, his involvement with Padme STILL would have been his downfall.

The issue is that he is involved with Padme and the Emperor exploits that relationship. The issue has nothing to do with what the Jedi know.

 

the jedi are wise enough to know you cannot weild great power and have attachments....or you will lose yourself trying to keep the things you love.

sidious is wiser than you think as well.....he seems to follow the same logic as a result of how he ascended to master from apprentce rank.

 

Because the relationship is forebidden, Anakin cannot tell Obi-wan and Yoda the truth. Thus he has to look elsewhere for help.

"When you get down to where we are right now in the story, you basically get somebody who?s going to make a pact with the Devil, and it?s going to be a pact with the Devil that says, ?I want the power to save somebody from death. I want to be able to stop them from going to the river Styx, and I need to go to a god for that, but the gods won?t do it, so I?m going to go down to Hades and get the Dark Lord to allow me to have this power that will allow me to save the very person I want to hang on to.? You know, it?s Faust. So Anakin wants that power, and that is basically a bad thing. If you?re going to sell your soul to save somebody you love, that?s not a good thing. That?s as we say in the film, unnatural. You have to accept that natural course of life. Of all things. Death is obviously the biggest of them all. Not only death for yourself but death for the things you care about."

--George Lucas, quoted in J. Windolf, ?Star Wars: The Last Battle,? Vanity Fair, 2005

 

Also, having read the book, I thought the fact that obi-wan knew all along only added to the tragedy of it all. "Do you think Obi-wan might be able to help us?" YES! OF COURSE!
Anakin and padme run into the same problem almost all first time lovers do: They assume they can hide their "secret" from everyone when most everyone knows anyway. The tragedy of it all is, anakin believed he was alienated from the council and the jedi order in general because he couldn't discuss this problem with them. If he had taken his problem to obi-wan, palpatine's knowing would be of less significance. Obi-wan would have been able to cement his relationship with anakin and proven to be understanding. As it is, only sidious expresses true concern and understanding of anakin's relationship to him, thus gaining sympathy and loyalty.